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Old 17th Jul 2008, 18:57   #41 (permalink)
 
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Electras

"Why are the engines upside down?"

They arent, its the world thats up-side-down.
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Old 18th Jul 2008, 02:06   #42 (permalink)
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could be wrong but I heard somewhere what Electra was originally certified with 3-man cockpit purely due to an old FAA rule requiring FE on aircraft over 80000 lbs MTOW?
No, not wrong...correct.
An old regulation from the post DC-4 days.
Gosh, CargoOne, you must be older than dirt...just like me.
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Old 18th Jul 2008, 02:21   #43 (permalink)
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Ok, preliminary indications are...at least three are flyable, with fairly good time until the next heavy checks.
This project looks like a starter.
Funding in the works now.
Thanks folks for all the help, greatly appreciated.
CV's will be requested in due course, on 350, when details finalized.
AOC already available.
Base, west Africa.
Possibly also...Kuwait.
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Old 18th Jul 2008, 02:44   #44 (permalink)
 
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Just wondering...

Has the 2-man conversion () moved the position of the starter button and fuel/ignition switches, and do these airplanes have the "start valve" light mod?
I think it would be very difficult not to compromise the normal engine starting procedure without being able to:
1/ easily reach the abovementioned button and switches,
2/ being able to read the bleed air manifold pressure gauge at starter cutout,
3/ monitoring the fuel/ignition switch when shifting from low to normal RPM or viceversa.

And many other details that I consider essential for normal/safe operation!!

Also, I'd love to witness a windmill start on the runway with a 2-man crew!!

Cheers (I think)...FD...

Oh..I almost forgot, the engines are not upside down, it's just that the gearbox is that way with reference to the C-130.

Interesting....Kuwait...spent quite some time there, 3 years, operating B727 and B747 for Kuwait Airways up to late '94.
Bet it's changed a lot since this Iraqi war has started........
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Old 18th Jul 2008, 08:12   #45 (permalink)
 
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No, THIS is a propper aeroplane

YouTube - DC7 running up engines to max power


(hope i got the link write)
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Old 18th Jul 2008, 09:09   #46 (permalink)
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I'm ready! Packing my bags now. Can't see there being many L188 drivers available.
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Old 18th Jul 2008, 15:18   #47 (permalink)
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Can't see there being many L188 drivers available.
Want to bet?
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Old 18th Jul 2008, 16:39   #48 (permalink)
 
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Can't see there being many L188 drivers available
I'll also take that bet.........

And the tax free Capt pay is ?????...........
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Old 18th Jul 2008, 16:57   #49 (permalink)
 
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"YouTube - Lockheed Electra start up

For those of you that need to forget the 2/3 crew bullshit and remember how aviation used to sound"

Sweet!!!!
One of my early companies had two DC6's and one Electra. I flew the DC6 (as FE).
Now have a window seat.
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411A pay particular attention to the wings;they are of an unusual construction,basically made out milled aluminium planks which have a habit of corroding,very expensive to replace (the wings strength is in the planks) Your surveyor should particularly watch out for corrosion here,it can be very subtle. Worked for Air Contractors who used to operate the beast,good a/c but as has allready been said you must have top notch engineers & a generous maintenance budget (whatever your budget was ,double it,trust me!)
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Old 18th Jul 2008, 18:43   #51 (permalink)
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And the tax free Capt pay is ?????...........
To be decided...however, rest assured that top notch tax-free salaries together with 4/5 star accomodation.
Make no mistake, the crews (both maintenance and FD) are the heart of the proposed operation, and will be compensated accordingly.

Yours truly will have it no other way.
Period.

However, whiners need not apply (when the time comes, that is...

The Colonel and I have learned a long time ago that the best should be paid well for their efforts.
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Old 19th Jul 2008, 03:59   #52 (permalink)
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Smile I am ready

Sounds good to me. I really wanna fly that L188. There may be some L188 drivers but am curious about flexiblity and living in said domiciles. Again, I am ready today.
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411A pay particular attention to the wings;they are of an unusual construction,basically made out milled aluminium planks which have a habit of corroding,very expensive to replace (the wings strength is in the planks) Your surveyor should particularly watch out for corrosion here,it can be very subtle. Worked for Air Contractors who used to operate the beast,good a/c but as has allready been said you must have top notch engineers & a generous maintenance budget (whatever your budget was ,double it,trust me!)
What is unusal about Electra wings being made out of milled aluminum planks? Name me one large transport aircraft (except for the 787) that doesn't have wings made from milled aluminum planks! Additionally, the wings get their stength from the spars, stringers, webs, and milled planks (skins) all working together.

As for corrosion, the last Electra left the production line 50 years ago. You will find corrosion on all 50 year old aircraft.
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Old 19th Jul 2008, 18:03   #54 (permalink)
 
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From my experience, having an FE in the middle seat can cause problems with CRM issues.

You have got to be S...... me! I flew the "mighty orion" as an FE for 22 years and no Captain in his right mind would fly without an FE. It is truely am awesome airplane. Definately a three man cockpit. Maybe the CRM issues were from the right seat???
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Old 19th Jul 2008, 21:46   #55 (permalink)
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411A... Loadmasters ?
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Old 20th Jul 2008, 01:58   #56 (permalink)
 
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Hey WhalePFE,
We probably have a lot of experiences in common, I'm a 10 year operator of the P3B/C for the RAAF, retired from there in 87 to fly B727.

You're absolutely right, an awesome airplane!

You might like to PM me, we may have crossed paths somewhere!

I've worked with VP-4 and VP-31, as well as the annual RIMPAC exercises out of Hawaii.

Cheers...FD...
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Old 20th Jul 2008, 02:36   #57 (permalink)
 
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PM in your box! I flew as an FE from 88-05 in squadrons on both coasts and all over the world.

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Old 20th Jul 2008, 17:28   #58 (permalink)
 
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I know a few excellent L188 loadies who may be interested...

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Old 20th Jul 2008, 19:45   #59 (permalink)
 
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Electra L-188

If you are looking for the one main person in the world that knows more about the electra and teaches L-188 ground schools and knows where all the L-188 are and is ferry L-188 today, and he also is the main parts supply for the L-188 is Mr Don Deyo of Merse Air. The number is 904-786-7200, Fax No. 904-781-5676 and can supply all the preformance numbers you want and usefull load pay loads and data you are interested in. He also furnishes ferry crews and maint. personal for the aircraft. He knows both P-3 and L-188 thoughly.

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Old 20th Jul 2008, 21:15   #60 (permalink)
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Quite likely, eventually.
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