Freight DogsFinally a forum for those midnight prowler types who utilise the unglamorous parts of airports that many of us never get to see. Freight Dogs is for pilots and crew who operate mostly without SLF.
On interpersonal.de I found the following new requirement for Cargolux:
*** Attention: It is essential to be ready to take residence at or around Cargolux home base in such a way, that duty at home base can be started within 1 hour when called out !
Does anyone know if this applies only to standby duties? Otherwise this would make it impossible to commute from other places in Europe.
What some folks do is position in country the day before and stay in a hotel for the night, alternatively come to a flat sharing agreement with colleagues. Staying just over the border in eg Trier is somewhat cheaper than Luxusburg.
Call out is 2hrs10mins before departure, check-in to ops 1 hour10 before departure, so you'll be a bit pushed to get from CH to LUX in an hour...
quote I challenge you to find another job in Europe with the conditions and pay that you have here at Cargolux. When you do- go - you will find out that it is never to late. LF[/quote] Jungleland: During training (3 months), you get about €3000. After that, with less than 600 hrs on type you get about €4000, then with 600 hrs on type (and more than 3500TT) you get to the 'normal'/'senior' FO payscale, which is even much better. Plus allowances of course ? How much allowances would you earn LF?Thanks mate.
the one hour rule means that they call you for duty one hour before check-in. Your planned duty time does not mean much. They may call you for duty early, or may let you stay close to the airport for ten hours before they call you out for a 16 hour duty. So your duty starts one hour after the wake-up call, regardless of your scheduled time or your show up!
well mate,as a starter we get paid $4/hour in per diems changing to €4/hour in October by the wisedom of our blessed kniting club (pilot's association).
We get extra for flying at night,Sundays and public holidays which does bring your monthly salary (all-in) up into the region of €6000-€6500 from your third year onwards. Before I'm shouted at, I have included the per diems in this amount.
On a sad note, my enthusiasm for the company has been seriously dented by the negotiations to reach a settlement on a new collective work agreement.We have been sold out by our unions, which where intimidated and corrupted by the management. Considering that three brave souls have lost their jobs it's a very sad thing.
If you are seriously looking at joining CV and you have a family, ask yourself how long you are prepared to stay away from home. In my last two rosters I've had pairings of 16 and 15 days and I have a 11 day pairing on my present roster.Don't get me wrong I'm not moaning about this, but my family are - and suffering. I feel that we are being punished for the tone that our negotiators took whilst looking for a settlement to our CWA. I take back what I said to my colleage in my previous ramblings, the money can be fantastic (for what we love to do ie.fly jumbos to great places all over the world) but life- I'm finding out- is not all about that.
LF
Last edited by luxfreight : 22nd July 2006 at 05:21.
luxfreight. I was speaking to one of our pilot delegates yesterday. He told me that the CWA was signed by the LCBG behind their backs. There is apparently some text in there which is illegal - 4.5 hours for one of the legs. You should check your mailbox in ops...
I did read all the c**p that came through my mailbox. I think if our guys had kept their heads out of SMARTS and kept their eye on the ball I don't think that this would have happened.Don't be fooled into thinking that the second sector (4.5 hour rule) is the only problem with this CWA. The whole thing stinks. The poor guys who made a stand for this must be wondering - "What the hell"
tsk tsk/CR2. Luxfreight. After spending more of my time off fighting the windmills of the Luxembourg system than I care to think about, I have to listen to people like you complain about SMARTS. That is not the problem and certainly the result would not have been different if that project had not been started (it is intended as a service to our members, something many people have requested) Stop moaning and pitch in your time and effort if you don't like the result. I am so sick and tired of whiners like you complaining but when asked to offer their assistance coughing up some lame excuse... "Oh I'm not cut out for that kind of work" "Oh I don't want to spend my precious time working on a new CWA for nothing"... I've heard it all Luxfreight, spare me the tears and pitch in with some real help.
You prove my point Luxfreight. It's easy to come up with some smart remark about fishing etc. to distract from the fact that out of 350+ pilots there are almost none that are willing to put in the time and effort required for the Delegation/ALPL, yourself included.
So go catch some big fish but spare me the whining about how the Delegation/ALPL screw everything up if you're not putting in the work yourself. Let me add that you don't have a CLUE unless you've been there and seen it yourself.
so the question remains: To strike or not to strike?
I'm currently also considering to join CV and eventhough I'm fulfilling all of CV's requirements (flighthours, JAA ATPL, living in Luxembourg, still in the 20s) and really want stop doing short-range flights, 4 legs a day, 85+ blockhours a month but instead fly around the world with a more "relaxed" roster, I believe with the current situation of CV's CWA, I will rather stay in the company I'm working for the time being.
Of course, the thought of flying 747s around the world, earning more money in the long run and working for a company whose commercial and financial future looks currently extremely bright is very, very tempting but having a social life at home with friends and family certainly is tempting too.
Now that the new CWA has been signed, do you mates working for CV think that there is any chance that a more balanced CWA (working / resting at home) is plausible in the foreseeable future (1-2 years)? Because if there is any chance for improvement in the long run, I certainly would like to join CV, have a few less "nicer" years but enjoy my dreamjob after that period.
One union signing a CWA for a group and delegation it doesn't represent, without even asking...... Another union which actually does represent this group has signed the same CWA, against the will of it's partner, without even asking.... Banana unions in a banana republic and ever increasingly, a banana company. If it wasn't so sad it would actually be funny. It seems that the soap opera continues.
Aedius; The future for CV looks better for CV than for LG;its as simple as that. It might be tough, but at least you'll have a future, which on the q400 is still the question.
You're certainly right about the uncertain future with the Q400s and like I said, I don't mind doing 15-16 days rotations every month for a few years but I highly doubt that anyone will be pleased with his social life if this continues for the next 20-30 years. Flying 747s to exotic destinations is nice but will certainly not help to forget the time you won't spend with your family & friends, especially not after 5-10 years.
I would try to join CV immediately if I only knew that that there might be a chance that things get better someday because at least in LG I know that the roster cannot become much worse because we're already pretty close to the limits.
Of course everyone has different priorities in his life and I'm looking for a company in which I can stay till the pension (if only possible) and that's why I don't think that CV is the best choice if things remain as they are. I could be wrong but I don't believe that many will stand the test of time at CV if things don't improve.
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