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Freight Dogs Finally a forum for those midnight prowler types who utilise the unglamorous parts of airports that many of us never get to see. Freight Dogs is for pilots and crew who operate mostly without SLF.


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Old 24th Jul 2006, 13:32   #81 (permalink)
 
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80% of CV pilots commute?!

One good thing about the new CWA... it seems to be somewhat better for those who commute. At least something. Maybe.
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Old 25th Jul 2006, 01:57   #82 (permalink)
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Did the delegation resign en masse yesterday? Heard it was on the cards after having been stabbed in the back.
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Old 25th Jul 2006, 02:32   #83 (permalink)
 
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Aedius; The future for CV looks better for CV than for LG;its as simple as that.
It might be tough, but at least you'll have a future, which on the q400 is still the question.
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Old 25th Jul 2006, 15:48   #84 (permalink)
 
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You're certainly right about the uncertain future with the Q400s and like I said, I don't mind doing 15-16 days rotations every month for a few years but I highly doubt that anyone will be pleased with his social life if this continues for the next 20-30 years. Flying 747s to exotic destinations is nice but will certainly not help to forget the time you won't spend with your family & friends, especially not after 5-10 years.

I would try to join CV immediately if I only knew that that there might be a chance that things get better someday because at least in LG I know that the roster cannot become much worse because we're already pretty close to the limits.

Of course everyone has different priorities in his life and I'm looking for a company in which I can stay till the pension (if only possible) and that's why I don't think that CV is the best choice if things remain as they are. I could be wrong but I don't believe that many will stand the test of time at CV if things don't improve.
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Old 25th Jul 2006, 19:44   #85 (permalink)
 
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for my info will there be any firework display on the 31st as the invisible ink runs of the lcgb signed copy of the cwa ,and will the 2 little smart cars be ferrying around pickets
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Old 28th Jul 2006, 11:32   #86 (permalink)
 
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cheers

Thank you for your responses LUXFREIGHT and AEDIUS.
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Old 31st Jul 2006, 09:29   #87 (permalink)
 
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To IOLAR60, it's a pleasure mate,and if I where you I'd try join as soon as possible, mainly to get on the seniority list. FDP's will get better and so will the CWA.

To bigiron, thank you for editing the swearing out of your attack on me. Maybe I deserved it, maybe I didn't- but we are democracy and I think I'm entitled to my own opinion. I was put off trying to join the board when I heard about colleages getting phone calls telling them to withdraw their canditure (for the board),after that I felt that my opinions would not gell with the kleck and your above reasoning does not apply.So please don't generalise.I have had my ramblings on this thread and had a go at CST which I deeply regret now.I truely suspect that you are a very nice person but fighting the lux system is robbing you of your sense of humour. All I can wish you now is Good Luck!!!

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Old 31st Jul 2006, 22:20   #88 (permalink)

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Resignations? Geez, you guys wanna ask the Aussie pilots at CV about 89!
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Old 1st Aug 2006, 06:13   #89 (permalink)
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No 89. Repeat no 89!
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Old 1st Aug 2006, 08:32   #90 (permalink)

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Sorry Ratty...
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Old 1st Aug 2006, 09:32   #91 (permalink)
 
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No 89. Repeat no 89!
no... why not....
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Old 1st Aug 2006, 11:36   #92 (permalink)
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'Coz I said so


Seriously, it gives nothing but grief. Try your luck on the Dunnunda forum if you wish, though Buster will tell you it'll last a max of 5 mins.
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Old 1st Aug 2006, 12:13   #93 (permalink)
 
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'Coz I said so
Seriously, it gives nothing but grief. Try your luck on the Dunnunda forum if you wish, though Buster will tell you it'll last a max of 5 mins.
ok ok...
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Old 1st Aug 2006, 13:03   #94 (permalink)

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5 mins if yer lucky! Serious grief ensues and bitter arguments continue...



...where were we?
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Old 2nd Aug 2006, 10:21   #95 (permalink)
 
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Danger

Well, it appears that the saga continues. The union representing the pilots (the same union that signed the CWA against our will but promised to cancel their signature should a majority of the pilots vote NO) has yet again lied and now refuses to withdraw their signature despite the fact that a vast majority of pilots did vote NO. The Management of course is behind all this and surely must have put a lot of pressure on the unions for them to betray their members.

So, what is a promise worth? When what you say and what you do is two different things, all trust is broken. This is the precise reason the pilots has fought so hard the last 3-4 years to put in clauses in the future CWA that would protect the pilots against a rough company in a rough country.

For those of you considering joining this company be aware that this is how it works in our neck of the woods.
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Old 2nd Aug 2006, 11:25   #96 (permalink)
 
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Thanks for the info, it's much appreciated!
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Old 2nd Aug 2006, 11:36   #97 (permalink)
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Well, it won't be long now before we start negotiating the next CWA.
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Old 2nd Aug 2006, 11:48   #98 (permalink)
 
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The union is representing ALL CV employees under the CWA, not only the pilots.
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Old 2nd Aug 2006, 12:12   #99 (permalink)
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Quite right Highloader. I for one (as ground staff) was not impressed with our bit of the CWA. Unfortunately most of my "bretheren" did not agree; some of them had their own agenda (ie trying to get the Delegation ruled invalid so they could get themselves on unelected - thats another story though). I'm disgusted with the entire affair & feel sorry for those people who put in an enormous amount of effort, only to be stabbed in the back by the people they were looking out for.
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Old 2nd Aug 2006, 12:59   #100 (permalink)
 
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I totally agree. I am also on the ground and our part is very unimpressive indeed.

I also feel sorry for those delegates that really tried hard to get something done and I can understand their disappointment.

But I had not heard about attempts to get the delegation ruled invalid though . The way the delegation was voted was not pretty, but it was legal. I knew about the "voting instructions" the pilots had and voted for ground staff only. It didn't help much, did it. But as you mentioned, it won't be long now before the next one and if I hear about pilots' "voting instructions" again, I will make sure everyone on the ground is aware of it. I am not saying that there should be no pilot on the delegation, but I don't want a delegation consisting of only pilots. I don't feel represented.

Anyway. I'm glad i's over now (it is, isn't it?)
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