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Old 20th May 2004, 07:38   #1 (permalink)
 
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Passengers on cargo flights still possible ?

I was talking to an old bloke today who told me he used to fly around the world on cargo planes. Can you still do this ? Could you ever purchase passenger tickets on cargo ?

I know you used to be able to get berths on cargo ships, but I'd never heard of the public getting onto cargo flights.

If you can still do it, can anyone give me some more details ?

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Old 20th May 2004, 08:38   #2 (permalink)
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Not anymore. Some freighter airlines would let family members fly with, though post 9/11 this has been severely restricted.
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Old 20th May 2004, 09:14   #3 (permalink)
 
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I don't know if there were any airlines who've been selling tickets to public to fly on freighter (we not talking about combi aircraft, aren't we?).
Normally it is all about non-rev passengers, like cargo attendants, deadheading crew, sometimes company presonnel or contractors (GSA, handling, etc) staff.
And these things became much more restrictive after 9/11.
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Old 20th May 2004, 12:07   #4 (permalink)
 
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We just found out a few weeks ago that, even though we've put in the reinforced doors, only company employees will be allowed to ride our freighters. The TSA has SPOKEN. This of course means no more family tagging along.
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Old 21st May 2004, 13:52   #5 (permalink)
 
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Non-sched.

Think yourself lucky. Our freighters all have the new doors too but only US employees can ride on the jets. Myself, being based in the UK, and who can sign both the airworthiness release and the aircraft security check (should the nosegear security tape be missing) cannot, and probably never will again. Gone are the days when you could fly around on charter flights as a flight mechanic/mx rep. Now i have to lug my toolbox around airports on commercial flights chasing our own aircraft.
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Old 21st May 2004, 18:38   #6 (permalink)
 
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Can anyone point me towards the document where these restrictions come from?

We operate under FAR121, but dont really know if we need to comply with the TSA for flights which do not enter the usa. UK/JAR ref would also be appreciated.

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Old 21st May 2004, 22:14   #7 (permalink)
 
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Foreign carriers who are permitted to operate to the US must submit a full and complete Master Crew List to the TSA/DHS in a specified format to maintain acreditation by the US. Once accepted and approved carriers must submit individual crewlists at least 24 hours in advance of arrival into the US (maybe arrival into US Airspace). The list is checked against the MCL. If there is a discrepancy the flight will not be accepted. FAA will not approve routing.
To my knowledge in the case of a Cargo aircraft. No other persons are permitted on the aircraft including charter representatives, ground staff, family and friends of crew. Depending on the nature of the cargo, it maybe necessary to carry a specialist cargo attendant. However, the TSA will need to be given time and probaly require alot of documentation and good reason as to why such a person is required to be onboard
before approval is given. In addition I believe carriers have to make crewlist submissions via APIS.

Things change so I may not be entirely correct but I am sure the US DOT / FAA / Customs and Immigration websites will give good guidance. Otherwise, my advice would be to invest in a good US
aviation lawyer.
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