Logging Instrument time (Hong Kong)

[biggles72]

This question is specifically for Hong Kong logbooks. I fly internationally to and from Hong Kong.

Before some loser with no life says "try the search function" ... I did and after 30 minutes of reading could not find the answer I was looking for.

We always fly under an IFR flight plan.

When do you log I.F?
1. IMC only?

2. Night with sole reference to the instruments?

3. VMC on top of 8/8ths?

4. What about IMC with autopilot on?

5. What if the F/O is flying in IMC? What does the captain log and vice versa?

6. What % of total flight time would you log as instrument time as a general rule?

I could not find any reference to this in the HK CAD texts. If anyone can provide info or opinion, it would be great.

Thanks

[Sleeve_of_Wizard]

Do you have an ATPL?

[Meikleour]

Get yourself a Hong Kong CAD logbook - CAD 407
Go to page (vi ) para 12 and you will find your answer!!!!

Do not confuse OPERATING under IFR Rules with the actual process of manipulating the controls whilst in actual or simulated conditions. It is quite possible for instance to be flying `on instruments` in an open FIR (ie. Class G ) without being on an IFR flight plan.

Wild guess here - but are you from North America by any chance?

[biggles72]

I did that and this is what it says.... The Column 'Instrument Flying' is provided in order that flight time during which the holder manipulated the controls solely by reference to instruments, either under actual or properly simulated conditions may be recorded towards meeting the flying experience requirements for a license.

So it does not really answer my questions. And now a new question. 7. Is it fair to say a pilot is Manipulating the controls" with the autopilot on?

If manipulating the controls is only when hand flying, then it would be fair to say the average persons instrument time is less than 5 % of their total time. For example a 5 hour flight with first 5 minutes and the last 5 minutes being hand flown= only 3% of the time as I.F, and considering maybe only 1 in 10 flights would be full IMC during this hand flying, then the 3% becomes alot less.

For comparison how much Instrument time do you have as a % of Total time?

North American. What difference does it make?

Questions unanswered....
When do you log I.F?
1. IMC only?

2. Night with sole reference to the instruments?

3. VMC on top of 8/8ths?

4. What about IMC with autopilot on?

5. What if the F/O is flying in IMC? What does the captain log and vice versa?

6. What % of total flight time would you log as instrument time as a general rule?

7. Is it fair to say a pilot is Manipulating the controls" with the autopilot on?

8. For comparison how much Instrument time do you have as a % of Total time?

cheers

[Glass Half Empty]

How about logging 30 mins per flight when you operate it. Ie fly the plane. That would cover a departure and arrival and maintain some actual IF hours for your logbook.

[Meikleour]

The logging of `instrument flying time` is mainly for the purposes of training, upgrading of licences and/or renewing of licence privileges. I believe that in the US one has to log a sufficient `instrument time` to keep one`s IR valid - not the case in HK.

Since getting my ATPL in 1974 I only log an arbitrary small amount when I actually fly an approach - more just out of interest rather than any requirement.

The figures you asked for: 42 years, 20,650hrs IF time only 640hrs!!!

I hope this clears things up for you?

PS I did hand fly a B707 from NBO to LGW with an inop autopilot once but didn`t bother to log that as IF since it was such a nice day!!

[Striker58]

Who cares how many Instrument hours you have, does it really matter?

To keep it simple, I log 15 minutes per PF sector which equates to about 1 hour per month.

[Baywatcher]

If you have an instrument rating, who cares. That column is for PPL stuff!