RAF Aborted Rescue
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RAF Aborted Rescue
Good to see the survivors from the Scillies rescue now safe in hospital at Treliske.
I watched with interest the SKY News description of the Horrendous storm conditions and sea state that caused the RAF Rescue crew to abort the rescue. I am a little confused because as I looked at the IR footage taken by the RAF Rescue Helicopter as the crewman described the conditions I didn't notice the 180' 15000 tonne vessel moving very much - was it the actual vessel in question or a large vessel from library footage?
If it was the vessel in question - It is interesting to see how 2 crew members could be clearly seen on the massive deck, standing unaided and smoking a cigarette throughout?
I listened with interest to the Royal Navy crew describing the calm conditions they encountered shortly afterwards - a strange met phenomena also?
Crab - perhaps you could help us out here? - good job we weren't relying on Civvy SAR boys eh??
Good Job at Blackpool lads!
I watched with interest the SKY News description of the Horrendous storm conditions and sea state that caused the RAF Rescue crew to abort the rescue. I am a little confused because as I looked at the IR footage taken by the RAF Rescue Helicopter as the crewman described the conditions I didn't notice the 180' 15000 tonne vessel moving very much - was it the actual vessel in question or a large vessel from library footage?
If it was the vessel in question - It is interesting to see how 2 crew members could be clearly seen on the massive deck, standing unaided and smoking a cigarette throughout?
I listened with interest to the Royal Navy crew describing the calm conditions they encountered shortly afterwards - a strange met phenomena also?
Crab - perhaps you could help us out here? - good job we weren't relying on Civvy SAR boys eh??
Good Job at Blackpool lads!
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I am a little confused
The vid to which you refer was of the previous night's (Thursday) rescue from the Riverdance (dodgy name for a boat?) which was listing and aground off Blackpool, not the one last night in the Western Approches where the Master was injured. Sky was showing the vid whilst also covering the first SK attempt from Cork.
Navy Torque re civvy SAR
The Stornoway coastguard S92 has just rescued 14 crewmen from a trawler aground on St Kilda way out in the Atlantic.
"In extreme weather conditions,a very hazardous operation"
A female pilot also involved,Captain Liz Forsyth,ex RAF SAR.
The Stornoway coastguard S92 has just rescued 14 crewmen from a trawler aground on St Kilda way out in the Atlantic.
"In extreme weather conditions,a very hazardous operation"
A female pilot also involved,Captain Liz Forsyth,ex RAF SAR.
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Shackman,
It is not about willy waving, it is about journalistic competence. There were 3 organisations involve in rescues yesterday, the RN, the RAF and the Coastguard. It is frustrating when if it flies it must be the RAF, if it is wearing green it must be the army, if it is Iraqistan it must be the army also.
It is not about willy waving, it is about journalistic competence. There were 3 organisations involve in rescues yesterday, the RN, the RAF and the Coastguard. It is frustrating when if it flies it must be the RAF, if it is wearing green it must be the army, if it is Iraqistan it must be the army also.
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Daring Rescue
The story is unfolding of an amazing rescue undertaken in mid atlantic by a lone Royal Naval Airman. It appears that a one eyed monoped Naval pilot rescued 32 people from an upturned umbrella 2000 miles off the coast of Ireland in his autogyro.
After landing at Shannon this naval hero, wearing his eye patch at a jaunty and heroic angle, was suitably modest about his acheivment saying that his only regret was not being able to take the umbrella under tow to claim the salvage and bolster his rum bum and bacci fund.
He denied that he was starting a willy waving competition as he had had his bitten off by a kai tai round the back of 'Ned Kellys' back in '65. However, he is more than willing to enter into a stump wiggling competition with any Crab or Brown Job who thinks that they are not man enough.
After landing at Shannon this naval hero, wearing his eye patch at a jaunty and heroic angle, was suitably modest about his acheivment saying that his only regret was not being able to take the umbrella under tow to claim the salvage and bolster his rum bum and bacci fund.
He denied that he was starting a willy waving competition as he had had his bitten off by a kai tai round the back of 'Ned Kellys' back in '65. However, he is more than willing to enter into a stump wiggling competition with any Crab or Brown Job who thinks that they are not man enough.
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The story is unfolding of an amazing rescue undertaken in mid Atlantic by a lone Royal Naval Airman.
When I first logged on I was set to praise the competence of all those involved in the rescues over the last 24 hours, whatever colour of their uniform - again expecting to see something in similar vein in the first post. However it would seem that point scoring came first.
I have done night rescues, albeit in the days (nights) before NVG and other goodies that are now available, and would be the first to admit that it was bl**dy hard and I was quite glad that most went to the SK and us Wessex guys were only used in extremis by RCC. However, even harder is the point where you say NO, whether because it is just too dangerous for the winchman and/or crew, or fuel/PLE becomes a critical factor, or for weather or any other of a myriad problems. The ac captain has to make a decision which may not always be the one that people sitting safe in their ops room like, or allow others like NT to make snide comments about, but it is why he is captain. Luckily, when that crew returned another one from RNAS Culdrose was available to go - a Rescue crew, it matters not RAF, RN, Coastguard or otherwise.
That is why it is called teamwork. It is what we do, but there are always those who wish to score points (and wave their willeys inthe air) in favour of one service. Yes the press frequently get it wrong, but that does not alter the opinion of the professionals who go out there and get the job done. They know who, what, where and when.
I raise a glass to you all this evening.
Shackman
I have done night rescues, albeit in the days (nights) before NVG and other goodies that are now available, and would be the first to admit that it was bl**dy hard and I was quite glad that most went to the SK and us Wessex guys were only used in extremis by RCC. However, even harder is the point where you say NO, whether because it is just too dangerous for the winchman and/or crew, or fuel/PLE becomes a critical factor, or for weather or any other of a myriad problems. The ac captain has to make a decision which may not always be the one that people sitting safe in their ops room like, or allow others like NT to make snide comments about, but it is why he is captain. Luckily, when that crew returned another one from RNAS Culdrose was available to go - a Rescue crew, it matters not RAF, RN, Coastguard or otherwise.
That is why it is called teamwork. It is what we do, but there are always those who wish to score points (and wave their willeys inthe air) in favour of one service. Yes the press frequently get it wrong, but that does not alter the opinion of the professionals who go out there and get the job done. They know who, what, where and when.
I raise a glass to you all this evening.
Shackman
Navy Torque - when a crew try for an hour to get a winching opportunity and then knock it on the head, you know the conditions were bad. 200 miles out in the dark (the light levels were less than 1 millilux) in 8m seas is not a nice place to be.
The aircraft Captain showed great maturity (he is just coming to the end of his first tour) in electing not to put the winchman onto the deck. I suspect that since the boat crew's injuries were serious but not life threatening, he made the right decision in this case rather than risk breaking the winchman and endangering the casualty (who had spinal injuries) further.
It is only a few years since an RN crew broke all their hi-lines trying to get the winchman on a nasty night deck in similar conditions and had to leave it to an RAF crew who got there later and did the job. Does it prove anything? No, other than SAR can be a nasty, difficult job and even the best crews can struggle in horrendous conditions.
Well done to all the SAR boys and girls
The aircraft Captain showed great maturity (he is just coming to the end of his first tour) in electing not to put the winchman onto the deck. I suspect that since the boat crew's injuries were serious but not life threatening, he made the right decision in this case rather than risk breaking the winchman and endangering the casualty (who had spinal injuries) further.
It is only a few years since an RN crew broke all their hi-lines trying to get the winchman on a nasty night deck in similar conditions and had to leave it to an RAF crew who got there later and did the job. Does it prove anything? No, other than SAR can be a nasty, difficult job and even the best crews can struggle in horrendous conditions.
Well done to all the SAR boys and girls
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Crab, you are quite right about that time when we couldn't get someone off the deck, and the RAF did the next morning in daylight.
But did you boys give my crew some banter?
Oh yes you did.
And your guys got AFCs
But did you boys give my crew some banter?
Oh yes you did.
And your guys got AFCs
contests between units are puerile.
According to the reports I read there was around 3 hours time difference between the attempted rescue and the successful one.
The change in weather in 3 hours can be considerable, and I know of no SAR helo with a 3 hour loiter time at a range of 200 miles.
Full marks to both crews, the first for trying in deplorable conditions, and having the sense to know when enough is enough; and the second for a successful rescue.
IMHO some of the comments in this thread say more about their writers than they do the subject in hand.
The change in weather in 3 hours can be considerable, and I know of no SAR helo with a 3 hour loiter time at a range of 200 miles.
Full marks to both crews, the first for trying in deplorable conditions, and having the sense to know when enough is enough; and the second for a successful rescue.
IMHO some of the comments in this thread say more about their writers than they do the subject in hand.
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For Goodness Sake! Lighten Up!
Why are you all taking NTs crap so seriously. He's a wind up merchant. Give him some back or ignore him but whatever you decide to do, ditch the self righteous indignation as its faintly ridiculous, given the result of the job which speaks volumes for itself.
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I can only talk about the Cleveleys rescue because I was there. The flying skill of the pilot that night/ Friday morning is something I won't forget in a hurry. The ship was pitching, yawing and rolling as well as the crew having to deal with the very strong winds and heavy spray.
Whether it was RAF, Navy or Civvy I have no idea.
Not that it matters.
The whole crew deserve a big pat on the back for what they did/do.
No doubt some anally retentive karsehole will disagree.
Whether it was RAF, Navy or Civvy I have no idea.
Not that it matters.
The whole crew deserve a big pat on the back for what they did/do.
No doubt some anally retentive karsehole will disagree.
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Guys - I only asked whether the footage was the correct footage because it didn't seem to match up and I was concerned that people might get the wrong idea?
I am heartened that as Harmonisation approaches that all of us agree that the Navy, RAF and Civvy SAR units all have much to offer and that we are best represented if we understand each others differences and don't just jump in on the back of which service did it and commence the debrief accordingly.!!
Crab, just one point concerns me - I am confused that you have to mention that the aircraft captain was only just coming to the end of his first tour - surely you are not putting forward the argument that there are possibly other RAF crews who could have done the job - or are you saying that you are not sure he was ready to be a SAR Captain?? must be one or the other else no point mentioning it???
Crab good to see that you are getting ready for Harmonisation - The recruiters at Bristows and CHC can't wait for your application mate!
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I am heartened that as Harmonisation approaches that all of us agree that the Navy, RAF and Civvy SAR units all have much to offer and that we are best represented if we understand each others differences and don't just jump in on the back of which service did it and commence the debrief accordingly.!!
Crab, just one point concerns me - I am confused that you have to mention that the aircraft captain was only just coming to the end of his first tour - surely you are not putting forward the argument that there are possibly other RAF crews who could have done the job - or are you saying that you are not sure he was ready to be a SAR Captain?? must be one or the other else no point mentioning it???
Crab good to see that you are getting ready for Harmonisation - The recruiters at Bristows and CHC can't wait for your application mate!
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