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Isn't this like a PFI?
Estimated start date of the contract: 1/01/2011
- Estimated duration of the contract: 10 Years
- Date of dispatch of invitations to tender to selected candidates: 1/02/2007
- Time-limit for receipt of requests to participate (Date & Time): 30/09/2006 at 17:00
3.5 yrs to get it sorted...
Estimated start date of the contract: 1/01/2011
- Estimated duration of the contract: 10 Years
- Date of dispatch of invitations to tender to selected candidates: 1/02/2007
- Time-limit for receipt of requests to participate (Date & Time): 30/09/2006 at 17:00
3.5 yrs to get it sorted...
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Renting Helicopters
Frankly if this is the only way we can get modern helicopters onto the front line to cover the now nationally agreed shortfall in as short a time as that predicted then lets do it.
The services have been operating COMR fleets for some time so this is nothing out of the ordinary.
So whats it going to be?
NH 90
S-92
EH 101
AB 139
Anyone any other ideas?
LB
The services have been operating COMR fleets for some time so this is nothing out of the ordinary.
So whats it going to be?
NH 90
S-92
EH 101
AB 139
Anyone any other ideas?
LB
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If it gets decent kit for our people at a realistic cost, just do it!
Question: If a helicopter is lost thru accident or enemy action, what happens then? Does MOD have to purchase the lost aircraft? Really can't imagine the owner being able to insure against military operations risks.
I ask this because all of the COMR arrangements thus far are mainly for training use in the UK or training/support tasks abroad where hostilities are unlikely.
Then again, what's the deal on leased C17 ?
Question: If a helicopter is lost thru accident or enemy action, what happens then? Does MOD have to purchase the lost aircraft? Really can't imagine the owner being able to insure against military operations risks.
I ask this because all of the COMR arrangements thus far are mainly for training use in the UK or training/support tasks abroad where hostilities are unlikely.
Then again, what's the deal on leased C17 ?
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The MOD are apparently looking to retire all our 119 Gazelles and replace them with 20 rented replacements.
I'd love to know how good they were at sums during their school days!!!!!!
I'd love to know how good they were at sums during their school days!!!!!!
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Originally Posted by vecvechookattack
119 Gazelles..??? where the heck are they..?
119/20 is still a strange ratio though.
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"Civil Owned Military Registered"? Is that legal? Presumably the Contractor will deploy with them to carry out repairs and maintenance. Don’t forward operating bases tend to be a bit dangerous?
I always thought it so apt when the DLO formed IPTs into Clusters, except that I’m sure there’s a word missing.
I always thought it so apt when the DLO formed IPTs into Clusters, except that I’m sure there’s a word missing.
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"Civil Owned Military Registered"? Is that legal? Presumably the Contractor will deploy with them to carry out repairs and maintenance. Don’t forward operating bases tend to be a bit dangerous?
I always thought it so apt when the DLO formed IPTs into Clusters, except that I’m sure there’s a word missing.
I always thought it so apt when the DLO formed IPTs into Clusters, except that I’m sure there’s a word missing.
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Don't get confused between the aircraft lease and Service-provision. There is no suggestion that these would be supported forward by contractors - think of it like the C17 lease, we will pay wildly over the odds to lease aircraft we can't afford to buy until a replacement arrives in 2020, but in the meantime it will be operated and maintained by Service manpower! It looks like the aircraft are there to replace the Puma that will leave Service in 2012 (IIRC) and fill the gap until someone gets round to sorting a replacement.
How difficult can it be to pick up the phone to Boeing and say ' can I please have another 25 Chinook, pretty please with sugar on top'???
How difficult can it be to pick up the phone to Boeing and say ' can I please have another 25 Chinook, pretty please with sugar on top'???
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[QUOTE
How difficult can it be to pick up the phone to Boeing and say ' can I please have another 25 Chinook, pretty please with sugar on top'???[/QUOTE]
It's not at all difficult to ask the question. The eye-wateringly difficult bit is coping with the shock of the bill for it all.
How difficult can it be to pick up the phone to Boeing and say ' can I please have another 25 Chinook, pretty please with sugar on top'???[/QUOTE]
It's not at all difficult to ask the question. The eye-wateringly difficult bit is coping with the shock of the bill for it all.
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lol, buy G-models off the shelf - WAY cheaper than Merlin.
There was nothing wrong with the Mk3's until the UK tried to overcomplicate things - DPA messed that one up, not Boeing.
There was nothing wrong with the Mk3's until the UK tried to overcomplicate things - DPA messed that one up, not Boeing.
GBZ ""Civil Owned Military Registered"? Is that legal?"
Apparently it is legal, Bell 212's operated in Belize on behalf of the Army - follow the link to show the contract extension on them. http://www.shephard.co.uk/Rotorhub/D...1-88e7d4e2f07e
Apparently it is legal, Bell 212's operated in Belize on behalf of the Army - follow the link to show the contract extension on them. http://www.shephard.co.uk/Rotorhub/D...1-88e7d4e2f07e
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Just remember peeps that COMR lease solutions don't come cheap, plus there's problems with how we financially treat them etc.
So whilst a leased solution might provide you with an updated capability in quick flash to bang times, don't assume we could afford as many as we would need.
Re: 112 gazelle to 20 (other).
The gazelle's aren't deployable so are a waste of space and money. Better use the money on less, but more capable aircraft that we can deploy - post conflict of course!
nb: of course, they will have to be flown by the Army - lest we get a shed load of v.v.bored aircrew!
So whilst a leased solution might provide you with an updated capability in quick flash to bang times, don't assume we could afford as many as we would need.
Re: 112 gazelle to 20 (other).
The gazelle's aren't deployable so are a waste of space and money. Better use the money on less, but more capable aircraft that we can deploy - post conflict of course!
nb: of course, they will have to be flown by the Army - lest we get a shed load of v.v.bored aircrew!
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I take your point but, even in that case, it's training support. This is proposing direct support to offensive operations. I should have clarified that point.
I take your point but, even in that case, it's training support. This is proposing direct support to offensive operations. I should have clarified that point.
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Add to 'COMR' list:
Bell 212 AAC, Brunei (Jungle warfare training)
Bell 412 RAF, Akrotiri (SAR/Support)
King Air RAF, Cranwell (multi-engine training)
Southbound
Fair comment re the Mk3. I really can't understand why we have to redesign everything we buy. Methinks this is a big factor in time and cost overruns we see so much of the time.
Would still like to know how the taxpayer will be stitched up in the event of operational losses. As the supplier has to make a profit it would seem that COMR will inevitably be more expensive than purchase off the shelf.
COMR makes sense for the two AAC examples and for stop-gaps (KingAir?) but large scale fleet renewal can't make economic sense, shirley?
Add to 'COMR' list:
Bell 212 AAC, Brunei (Jungle warfare training)
Bell 412 RAF, Akrotiri (SAR/Support)
King Air RAF, Cranwell (multi-engine training)
Southbound
Fair comment re the Mk3. I really can't understand why we have to redesign everything we buy. Methinks this is a big factor in time and cost overruns we see so much of the time.
Would still like to know how the taxpayer will be stitched up in the event of operational losses. As the supplier has to make a profit it would seem that COMR will inevitably be more expensive than purchase off the shelf.
COMR makes sense for the two AAC examples and for stop-gaps (KingAir?) but large scale fleet renewal can't make economic sense, shirley?