Qatar

[Gypsy]

I wonder if anyone currently in QR can help with my query. I've looked through the history and wonder how things are now in Qatar Airways.

How much do Capts take home, how much for housing and what can you get for it, how much for schooling and what are the schools like. Staff travel? All the usual stuff - very grateful if anyone can help with an informed and balanced view.

[ia1166]

here we go again

[thegypsy]

Gypsy I have told you before to get yourself an original nom de plume.

As for Qatar Airways . This subject has been flogged to death already. My analysis of QR which may be incorrect is if you are unemployed then you have nothing to lose by joining,but don,t leave a job to join such an outfit until such times as they get their act together:{

[Goldstone]

Exactly as thegypsy says. Do not for heavens sake leave an existing job to go to QR. If you have nothing else then by all means give it a go.

[Hong Kong Layover]

Qatar and Qatar air ways ?????....please!

Say it "tata Qatar"!

[Gypsy]

Hasn't anyone got anything positive to say?

(PS for thegypsy - its just a name - get a life)

[thegypsy]

gypsy It may only be a name but it causes confusion.I have already received two abusive meesages intended for you!!!

As for QR. Positive remarks.

Do you like cloudless skies and temperatures in the forties?? Do I hear Yes?? Well in that case go for it,you will really like it there.

As I said before QR has been flogged to death already. What more can anyone tell you I wonder?

[Hong Kong Layover]

Anything positive?.....Answer is "NO" !!

[abuspilot]

For more info. visit this page!
http://www.theinformationminister.com/press.php?ID=612112264


I won't recommend it! is a tedious job and the atmosphere here l in QR is devastating nothing like I was accustom in the real world! and living among the locals they are not very friendly you fell like you are in the fifth dimension and the standard of living is not like one would expect it! Rent $$$$$ School $$$$ a very mediocre system Food $$....$$$$ it depends on your life style back at home but here there isn't any! Any ways if you decide don't plan to stay too long and if you are wise stay at home.

:D Best of luck!

the aviator

[swede-basher]

abus, funny, very funny, infact I think I just wet myself laughing. BTW I have forwarded it on to a number of ex QR people I know who, I hope, will do the same and get it into the charts. All I ask is that those in the know do likewise.

[Capt Krunch]

abus....

If you think this place is as expensive as you say.. then i have to wonder what rock you were living under before you came to QR,, as the prices here are not that far off any other place that I have lived in the past...
Nor are the people that rude or as ignorant as some places I have visited before either..
it's true that this is place has a higher cost of living compared to other places with a bit more ammenities.. but nothing as outragious as you would like to make it seem.. and as for the folks who own this country,, they are very helpfully and accomidating as long as you are polite and show them some respect,, as you would anyone for that matter.. no room for attitudes here....after all we are all guests in their country.. we don't own it .. they do...

By the sounds of things,, i'll have to venture a guess that your not so accomidating to immigrants to your country,,

For the one who wants to know... as long as you approach this place with an open mind and respect the local cultures and way of doing things,, (which can be a bit difficult sometimes).. you will get along just fine... it's ignorant people with no patients or respenct for other peoples differences,,, and persons that try to drag their cultures into this one ,, are the poeple that have a hard time with things out here..
as for me... I'M LUVING IT BABY...

Good job.. good local food... good local folks... good tan = goodtime

p.s.
beware of the Traffic Circles

[kenoco]

If u like playing golf and nothing else then go ,go like the wind,if u don't like playing golf don't waste your time M.xx

[Qatari515]

I have to agree with captain crunch on this one....

As told before I tend to say only the truth here, regardless if that is positive or negative but these cry babies here are pushing it a bit too far....

C'mon guys, you all came here out of free will....try to be a bit honest as well...

Fair enough, you dont like it here.....sorry to hear that but at least give others a chance....

The things you say here about the locals are very very generalised .....sure, there are ignorant bastards but dont we find those every where around the world....

Besides that, they litererally own this country and we are guests....so treat them with some respect!

Jeezes, thats like the stupid ones being angry that QR is being ran by locals.....so what? I mean, just try to imagine AF or BA being run by non nationals!!! Thats exactly the same isnt it?

And no, I am not a glue sniffer, a kiss ass or a qatari.....

[Hong Kong Layover]

Yeah,I have to agree on that point.
food,lifestyle,attitude of peiple are not that bad as mentioned here by another member.however when it comes to house rent ,this could be a bit high.

BUT,regarding Qatar airways:Yes,the air line is run by animals,led by a brainless oryx,surrounded by a$$ licking idots!

[abuspilot]

Capt. Crunch & Qatari 515

Not again! You two should run the evening Al Jazera's show and be more honest in your posts and besides I am not being disrespectful to any one nor to any nationality I am just saying that this place is below my expectations and way below my western standard of level of living. So for your information
I wasn't living under a rock!

Yes, they are a few nice people.....! but very few!
Food: I only eat at the Ritz! So I won't know any other but gimme a break! Qmart, Carrefour, all products out of date stuff! and expensive Saudia's brand what is this.......!

Rent never in my life was asked to sing blank checks and a one year contract written in Arabic. I also find out a few days a go that a local land lord offered an Arabic person a way much lower monthly $8500 Qr rate in the same bachelors penthouse that I try to acquire! So and so etc, etc, I am bailing out of here ASAP

They try to emulate the western style of living but they hate our guts! Starbucks Coffe and Chilies OK! but no Booze nor Petruse

Although, some of the Lebanese girls are fine! especially the one I'm dating
but the rest in Qatar Airways suck's :yuk: Bunch of morons! except few of my buddies!

My left seat is priceless but willing to give it up to come home!
So, New Recruit you make your own decision but, If was you I stay at home. unless you are desperate! for a few $

As per the other two guys if you are Chappy or Happy good for ya....!



:O the aviatornew recruit

[Qatari515]

Abuspilot,


I do not know where you come from or where you are living right now but one thing is sure.....the things you
are saying are not true at all!

"I am not being disrespectful to any one nor to any nationality I am just saying that this place is below my expectations and way below my western standard of level of living"

You are disrespectfull my friend! You are living in a foreign country so you should adapt to the local customs and habits! What is more, this is a muslim middle eastern country which makes it even more difficult.
What is true that they know very well what our standards of living are and they will ask money for that....a lot of money! But you should have done your research before you came here! I knew prices of housing where high ( between 6000QR and 10000QR/Month), shooling fees are high as well .....etc But you can find that all on the internet!
Do you think its any different in the surrounding places. Rental prices in Bahrain just doubled ( 2000€/month is no excemtion any more). Dubai the same thing unless you will find work at EK, which obviously you dont otherwise you would not be here!!!!But thy are as arrogant in BAH and DXB as they are here.....so maybe its just you having troubles adapting!


"Food: I only eat at the Ritz! So I won't know any other but gimme a break! Qmart, Carrefour, all products out of date stuff! and expensive Saudia's brand what is this.......!"

You sound like a spoiled child man! You only eat at the Ritz????Rubish! Carrefour, Qmart, Landmark.....They are all of the same standards as in my homeland and they rae as expensive as well! Exactly the same with exactly the same products!!!!!Sop what are you talking about? Only difference is that they have a wide range of arabic, indian, ....foodstuff as well!

"Rent never in my life was asked to sing blank checks and a one year contract written in Arabic. I also find out a few days a go that a local land lord offered an Arabic person a way much lower monthly $8500 Qr rate in the same bachelors penthouse that I try to acquire! So and so etc, etc, I am bailing out of here ASAP"

Neither was I so I never did it as well! I am living in a very nice compound, I have an English written contract, I pay per check every month and no arabs are allowed in here! Before you rent a place next time look around a little bit....maybe you will not get screwed then!


"They try to emulate the western style of living but they hate our guts! Starbucks Coffe and Chilies OK! but no Booze nor Petruse"

They do not hate our guts as long as you adapt a little bit to them as well! Its true, they wont like it when you are kissing in froont of them etc .....so what! Cut them some slack and they will do the same! It might come to a surprise to you but some good friends of mine are Qatari and I can assure you that a m
lot of this bull is based on misunderstandings...try to read a bit about their way of living man!

The booze thing......you should have known that before. Besides that, why would you need alcohol in a starbucks????As far as I know thats the same in the states
:eek:

"Although, some of the Lebanese girls are fine! especially the one I'm dating
but the rest in Qatar Airways suck's Bunch of morons! except few of my buddies! "

I suggest you to leave then.....You are ruining it all for the rest of us here who actually enjoy being here. So Lebanese girls are good enough to screw around with then but for the rest you hate the guts of all arabs!!!!Nice attitude man!
Just go away! Theres plenty of jobs around. I am sick and tired of cry babies always complaining how bad it is here, how they hate the place that much but still they do not have the balls to do anything about it....Nobody is forcing you to stay.....

For your info, a lot of people do actually enjoy it here, not just me or capt crunch.......

Open your eyes my friend....you are waisting your own precious time on this globe!

[killick]

Capt Krunch and Q515 are spot on - Qatar is different from London or Sydney, and it is up to us expats to adapt to local conditions and customs - not the other way round. This is a conservative Islamic society, and considering that the Qataris are impressively and increasingly tolerant of our foibles and weaknesses - why should they be required to do more simply to have the continued pleasure of employing us? The first rule of expat life is "adapt" - if you can't do that, then leave.......

There are too many professional whingers on this site, whose only response is to seek out the negative and ridicule those who see things differently. I sometimes wonder who has the attitude problem.......

Bottom line; many people love being in Qatar. Qatar Airways may not be perfect, but it is improving, and as a member of the sadly under-represented SLF community, my own experiences have been increasingly positive. Good crews, good planes, good service ideas, good punctuality, ok food. Has this all happened by accident? There will now doubtless be a torrent of abuse to let me know I'm AAB's lickspittle or worse, but he does happen to be the man in charge of an increasingly effective outfit.

Gain some perspective people; if you really hate it that much, then don't torture yourselves (or us) any longer - just go.

[Gnadenburg]

" If you don't like it leave"- twit. People are after perceptions of Qatar and Qatar airwys. Because they have a different opinion to you doesn't mean they should leave the country.

Qatar, in my opinion , not a pleasant place and the locals often trying. They are anti-Western but totally Western relaint. My opinion again.

You mention Sydney and London. I can guarrantee the same opportunities offered by these 21st century nations to visiting, residing or Qatari immigrants a hell of a lot different to what is reciprocated in Doha.

Al Jazeera should use it's world renowned "investigative journalism" and have a look within- Qatar Airways especially.

Much easier to promote the fallacy of Arab nationalism.

[Capt Krunch]

Qatar515:

Thank you.. you took the words right out of my mouth... I also like it here,, yes i agree that at times it can be a bit difficult to do somewhat simple tasks,, but thats just the way it is... it's a different country,, different way of doing things.. just takes some getting used too.

as for ABUSPILOT.......... GET LOST !!!!!!!! the sooner we get rid of guys like you the better this place will be..

I have to ask.... who is forcing you to stay here if you hate it so much... you dont like it, so leave,, your not held here against your will you know..

you only eat at the Ritz.... hahahahahahahaha.. sounds to me like this is the first time you have been this far away from your mamma....
must have been the first time you went to a Supermarket also,,as you seem to think they all only have western style foods....

Jeez,, talk about tunnel vision....

I really like the fact that i can buy stuff from home and also able to find good Thai ,, Arab ,, Indian ,, and other enthnic foods...

But i think i got ABUSPILOTS number.. as his logo light is shining in the distance and can just about make it out... (know what I mean abus)

[Hong Kong Layover]

I feel he is on a "show off" tour here instead of addressing the topic.....all he writes about is his meals at "Ritz" and the Lebanese girls he dates....hahahahaha from me too!!!!

[Golden Parrot]

Just wanted to add that eating at the Ritz is hugely overrated. Hundreds of restaurants in Doha offer better value!
I agree with what has been said so far, in fact I find living in Doha much better then many other places I've been, but then again this is such a subjective topic that we could go on and on arguing about it.
What I don't like are the unstable rosters, ever changing SOPs, low flying allowances(to name a few)...but guess what, every outfit I've flown for had its bad sides, so I've decided to sit back, do my job and give the company some time to stabilise itself. Then I'll be in a much better position to see the direction we are going in.

Regards

[Qatari515]

they give us low-flying allowances now....jeezes, I did not know that....:D

[abuspilot]

For all of you who had responded to my post eat my dust...!

And especially for Capt, Krunch if you got my number call me! my light is always shining....
And for the rest of you fine! if you all like it! then lick it! :O As for me I am moving on baby! if it wasn't for the three months... Can't wait! to leave Bozos.....:D

As for SARS layover excuse me (HongKongayover) in one of your last posts you said there was nothing positive about qatar/airways Hypo..
Yes, Im spoil and soooo!

And those who have to get a life; is you guys! thus you don't know for how long you are stuck in here! My sympathy for you.... :C

Qatari 515 you are alright man! despite what people thinks bout you! :D

But one thing I will leave clear: I do respect the people of this country and their culture :D

The AviatorNewrecruit

[Hong Kong Layover]

Abuspilot,

Why so hyper mate?.....hurt?...or cant take negative comments? shame on you!

Yes I said there is nothing positive in Qatar/Qatar airways,but I did not brag about eating at ritz carlton "every day" and lebanese girls I date and qr 8500 penthouse I intend to live!

Why not read thru your last posts again and see how silly it sounds!

regardig eating and licking dust:- Is that what what you do at "ritz"?

you are so arrogant man!!!.....chill !!!

[abuspilot]

No problem Hongkong lay over!

I am not boastfully writing or (bragging) as you said man! Im exclusively expressing my experience and advice to those who want to know the whole "scoop" :O

Well, Sorry man last post may be "silly" but Ritz Its the only place I could say is like being at home:cool:

Arrogance.- Can't help it .... I am a L/S PILOT the first seat on the aircraft. and girls like it! man.

See you at the Ritz for a drink!

TheAviator

[Qatari515]

With all due respect abuspilot but how the hell did you get into that first seat with such an attitude????

I am proud to be in that seat and the company who made me into what I am now was very picky in upgrades, especially regarding attitude!

I guess not all companies do care about that....

[abuspilot]

Qatari 515

See.... Man that's your problem! you mentioned a company "made you" in my case, I EARNED IT which makes a big difference!

My attitude.- Isn't that what we need to take care of... when we are flying?
Yes! my ATTITUDE it may be to high and bigger than your screen but, I love it! Man!!!

You see... this is one of the reasons why the companies like the ones that "made you" don't respect you!

Pilots should treat their career: like your own BUSINESS as an entrepreneur! Voila!

Well, mate! I have to go and check on the chics... at the back!
and make sure the trim tank is transfering!

TheAviator :cool:

[Hong Kong Layover]

HAAHAHAHAHAHA.......

Girls like the L/S seat!.....yes,most of us like it !!!!but not "YOU" who sit on it !!!!!!!

If thats what you think is the way to get the chicks,man...you are so incapable!! why not be a real man and get the chicks the manly way,and not by showing off your L/S seat!!!!

[Qatari515]

HKL,

do not believe a word abuspilot says....he is not a captain and I even doubt it he is a pilot at all....

He writes and acts like a child......

Abuspilot.....what exactly was it that you earned????:yuk:

[Hong Kong Layover]

Qatari515,

I felt that too ! with all the lies he comes out with,who could belive he is a pilot?

[abuspilot]

ECAM ACTION!!!!

Yeah! Four bars! baby....!!! Well earned Bozoooo!

First seat, best view...!
:cool: Tall, tan and handsome that's MMEEEEEEEE.:cool:

Hk: That's not what the pretty girls say......!!! and besides who cares what you or your Q515 buddy, thinks! go back to your galley. No time two waste with you two morons!!! STOP ECAM ACTION !!!! :D CK your QRH JAjAJAjajaj

[Golden Parrot]

Abuspilot, I see in your profile you are 340 rated...you talked about trim tanks so I guess you're not on the 320...I haven't come across someone with a personality like yours on the 330 (thankfully)...are you sure you are indeed in Qatar? Are you sure the planes you fly have a purple goat painted on the Tail?

[CaptSnails]

Golden Parrot I can assure you mate that you're dealing with a "wind-up" artist. Most likely the only thing he flies is his ego. We have no such twits wearing bars on the A340 fleet in GF.

Abuspilot although I have expressed in many topics my lack of respect for QR management and their antics, you take the cake. If you really are a pilot and in fact a captain (God forbid) I would suggest it's time you grew up and realized that being in command is a grave responsibility. Above all you have to be a good role model and mentor to others you command and earn their respect as a captain. Then and ONLY then you have "earned" your command my friend. Until such time you're just a bozo as you put it with 4 bars and nothing else.
Abuspilot I'm also a captain on the A340 with GF. Since you obviously like the the trim tank so much on the aircraft would you care to tell us when it will start working in auto mode and why because I personally think you're on A320 and most probably a young and totally immature F/O.

Qatari515 please correct me if I'm wrong but in QR I believe the only A340 you have is the Emiri flight one. If so this "gentleman" is flying around the Emir of Qatar????? Could this be possible? I seriously doubt that.

[abuspilot]

Well, I guess you don't know when the trim tank start transfering in AUTO mode and you still want me to explain you why? JAjajaja You kill meeee!!! then.... I suggest you!!! GO back to ground school bozo! before your company STC finds out! you Twit....!!!!

A340,A330,A320 Yeah!! Been there.... done that.... !!!Uhf I love It!

Snails, If you want to see how big is my EGO!!! I suggest you get a bigger screen!!

As for you Parrot continue with your ECAM Action!!!:cool: :cool:



TheAviator

[CaptSnails]

Yep thanks for the confirmation, just as I thought you're about 24 years old, still wet behind the ears and horney as hell but not getting much at all. In fact even if you got some you probably would'nt know what to do with it.:8

Happy growing up boy, now go play will ya.

I also suspect abuspilot is an Australian, there have fun now

[Qatari515]

Hi Capt Snails,

You are totally right....there is only one A340 here and it is the amiri one.

And rest assured, guys like abuspilot will never be allowed in there....

That is why it would even surprise me if abuspilot is a pilot at all....maybe he dreams of it but he clearly has no idea whatsoever about what he is talking about....

My guess: 15 years, frustrated, not capable of becomming a pilot, total FS2000 addict with a lot of books on aircraft! Still virgin and the closest woman he gets to see is his mother when changing his socks....

[gashbag]

Hi Abuspilot,
I just wondered are you the spanish guy?

[abuspilot]

:cool: 31Tall,Tan,and Handsome!!!! pure Australian Babeeeee!:cool:

And keep loving it!!!!!!:D You morons!!!!!
See you at the Ritz!

Two more months to go.......................you misserable twits!

ByE! now, I have to go and show off my four bars! to the new babes!!!

The Aviator:cool:

[BigGeordie]

Maybe if we just ignore him he'll go away?:rolleyes:

[abuspilot]

Yeah!!! little Geordie
Ignore me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!but don't forget me!!!!

:cool:

[Hong Kong Layover]

Grow up man,you are such a joke!

By the way you keep us entertained!...joker!!!

yeah, thats right,its only the amiri fleet has an A-340,and not main line QR.....and this "crack pot" (abuspilot) flying the emir of qatar?

[4HolerPoler]

Folks, I've been watching this thread go steadily downhill for a few days now. In an effort to salvage it I have barred all further access to it by abuspilot; let's see if we can recover some semblance of order here - if not I suggest we close it down. It'll only be a day or so before another Q-Airways thread starts up again.

And if abuspilot starts the same nonsense on other threads I will have no hesitation in making him the first person to be permanently banned from this forum. Your move son.

4HP

[killick]

Gawd bless yer Guvnor - I don't think I'll bother with the Ritz for a while.........

[CaptSnails]

Thank you 4HP I find your intervention well called for. This "gentleman" does not belong in a professional forum, or any forum for that matter he belongs in the looney bin.:yuk:

[goldstar]

TO ALL CONCERNED

DONT LET THIS GUY DISTRACT YOU FROM THE BIGGER ISSUES THAT FACE US ALL IN QR. LET US NOT FORGET THAT WE HAVE JUST LOST A CAPT. BECAUSE OF THE RANTINGS OF A JEALOUS GIRLFRIEND. A PRIVATE MATTER. THAT OUR NEW ADVISER SAYS THAT FATIGUE HAS NOT BEEN PROVEN. THAT CRM IS A WASTE OF TIME. THESE ARE THE ISSUES THAT NEED TO BE TALKED ABOUT AND FOUGHT ABOUT IN A HEALTHY OPEN FORUM.

[kenoco]

Goldstar u da man,lets get down to the nitty gritty there are a lot of good,professional crew in QR that need to be looked after,xxx M.

[Qatari515]

Goldstar,

spot on my friend.....

One little word of advise.....As written in the Peninsula this week QR and AAB have announced a total war against all "lies" written on the net...

He announced that every bit of confidential info or anything untrue being written on the net would be regarded as an attack against the state of Qatar.........that way it becomes a matter of national security and the law will be used in all its meanings...

So people, stick to the facts plse, maybe the above is just a treat, who knows but do not take the risk....

The truth and nothing but the truth, so help us god....:ok:

PS: its true we lost a captain over those 'romantic ' facts but I can assure you that it goes much deeper then just that....As a matter of fact he made a deal with managment which he repeatedly has been breaking so they had to react.....I am afraid that this one is the fault of the pilot! We have to play the game by certain rules and this guy attempted to brake them.....
" He who plays with fire........'

[cordy]

It looks like people do not know how to understand other culters, to the people who are not happy I hope you can find a better life good luck, to thoes who are happy stay and enjoy yourself. If I was given a chance to fly for an airline like QA I would take it on the spot. Always remember that a country which is trying to build itself will make a lot of mistakes but I am sure they will learn in the long run. As for the airline it will be better not to get involved in the running, stay out of the politics.

Good luck to all and remember stay calm in the cockpit:ok:

[Dechi]

Qatari 515,

Please check your Priv. Messages.

Kind Regards,

[Gnadenburg]

I would just like to assist the Qatar Airways Pprune policeman by stating that abuspilot is not Australian!

Let me demonstrate. Abus pilot, a few questions any Aussie pilot could easily answer.

1 If you were to flash your shiny bars on Bondi Beach what nationality of welfare receiving female would you likely pickup?

2 "Such is life"- whose quote?

3 The Don. Roman Catholic or Protestant?

4 Where would you find a famous beach with a Lone Pine?

5 If God came to Hawthorn where would Peter Hudson have gone?

No joy? You sound Hispanic.

[Hong Kong Layover]

Qatari515,

AAB is nuts!!!! how much can he stop this and for how long? the whole world knows who he is and what he is upto and the bad reputation he has brought into the company together with some of his close henchmen (SK).

He may dictate terms within QR, people may tolerate them for some time, but thats not gonna be forever.humanity will rise against AAB.

AAB may want to publish statements to news papers,to use law to its fullest meaning,but the facts are facts if AAB likes it or not! lastly,it should not be forgotton,that the bad reputation QR has is a fact and that "there wont be any smoke without a fire"!

Is AAB gonna use law and order against the truth ????...may be in the good old days,but not any more!!!!!

people wouldnt keep quiet,people will stand against him!! because he doesnt deserve to be a CEO/maneger !!

[kenoco]

Imagine the amount of excellent crew that would have stayed in QR if Casper wasn't the CEO,slowly but surely people are backing away from him.

[jet4hire]

Abuspilot Gnadenburg any body who cares about nationality or personality!!!!

My humble message is that: we shouldn't be bashing betwen each other. we should be discussing technical issues or better ways to improve all the issues that affect us as individuals or as crews.

Let's all work toguether for a better future!!

Life its hard as it is...
let's fly and have fun! its all up to us guys "cockpit and cabin crew" to make this a better place to work and live::D

[cordy]

I agree with Jet4hire, it is in everyones intrest to try and help eachother to suceed. In my company not all is well but at least we try and look out for eachother. Can you imagin if a new pilot joins QR who never flown an Airbus comes into a cockpit with a Capt who is dreading to fly and complaining about QR, that will be bad and it will make the F/O not perform to well, BAD CRM.
Good luck to all and I hope that one day all will be well, but remember that there is not one perfect company. Bring back the joy in the cockpit, do what my grandfather always say:

1) Don't worry

2) Don't hurry

3) Don't sorry

Life will be much better, good luck to all in QR.

:ok:

[wilco77]

Trash binned. If you really want to read what this creep dreamt up he posted on the Emirates Interview thread as well - it's over there.

He's just a wind-up artist with an attitude - don't take the bait. If he posts offensive crud again he'll get binned.

4HP

[Bagshaw Crusher]

Wilco

Pretty good stuff your smoking!

From the Golden Triangle I suppose.

Qatar is in the Persian Gulf too. You seem to think it is in the South China Sea.

[homesick rae]

Yep, a whole heap of good, experienced people gone because of the AAB regime.

As for BG and SK and co...pathetic people who are scared to stand up and support the crew!

AAB cannot stop free speech.

Qatar is a lovely place with great people. QR reminds me of the quote from "ON the Water Front"...." I coulda been a contender..."

Could've, should've but not a hope with the midget at the helm!

[pontius's pa]

What a strange thread this is.

[homesick rae]

not as strange as the poisoned dwarf they call a ceo at QR!!

[pontius's pa]

Homesick Rae

That may be so but I can't help wondering if some of the posts on this thread make the case for the establishment of a "Kiddies Corner". or maybe "Testosterone Challenged" Forum.

[homesick rae]

Pontious

Do you or have you worked for QR?

Don't get me wrong, I agree with you in some ways but I have been it, seen it and I only post FACTS about incidents I KNOW about. No hearsay.

...and, I , like many others hate to see the good folks suffer!

[Goldstone]

On Wednesday at about half past midnight our friend AAB was in the bar/nightclub called Oxygen at the Al Bustan Rotana Hotel in Dubai with a drink of something in his hand ... by all accounts a little merry ... but that is third hand info unlike the sighting! Dressed smart casual ... shirt outside his trousers trying to emulate the look of a much younger man.

What does this prove? That he's normal? Impossible. That he likes an alcoholic drink? Maybe. Nothing at all? Probably!

[kenoco]

do as i say don't do as i do

[junkyard dog]

goldstone ,

aab never had a drink in his life buddy...
his level is higher then to be seen in a bar..

I'm not trying to defend him but the truth must be said...

[Big Time Charlie]

In europe they'd probably ask for ID, to prove he's 18! They normally do this for guys who can only just see over the bar!

[homesick rae]

Actually, in his previous existence he used to have a taste for the old "walking johnny"...according to someone who used to travel with him!

[A300Man]

Guy's

Who gives a sh#t what the man likes to eat or drink or whatever. What we should all be worried about is the fact that while he is quite happy to be continually terrorising all of his staff (systemwide), the company is actually in a financial mess.

The latest evidence of this is when we see repeated copycat schedules of EK (Shanghai, Moscow, soon New York, Australia.....). The hub and spoke theory cannot continue for ever with a fleet of shabby second hand A300's, being bought or leased from second rate Chinese and Asian carriers who could see the sense in getting rid of them!

We should not be fooled by the company's crazy rate of expansion - this is a rate at which the industry cannot stand at present - wait and see.

I heard a rumour that Manchester and Rome will be shelved very soon. (under instruction from shareholders).

I am really sorry to hear this.

[junkyard dog]

A300 ....

continually terrorising all of his staff (systemwide) :

This terrorisim is working ..... we have a better disiplined staff .
We have diciplined cabin and flight deck crew...

If it wasn't for AAB's actions , we would have a country full of cabin crew conflicting with the traditions of Qatar ....
you know what I mean?

So i totaly agree with the style of AAB with his staff .
Besides , what's wrong with a boss that is strict ?
At the end of the day the boss wants the company to succeed .

[kumul1]

;) Recently spotted on a coaster.

" I DON'T TRUST CAMELS.........

....OR ANYONE ELSE WHO CAN GO FOR WEEKS WITHOUT A DRINK"

:ok:

[homesick rae]

Junkyard:

No, you are wrong!

AAB does not discipline, he terrifies crew!

The discipline you are talking about comes from the hard working CSD/ CS who conducts the briefing, instills confidence in the crew and let's them know how good and valued they are. They then feel motivated and go on the aircraft to perform marvellously, diligently and thoroughly despite the constant threat of losing their job!

There are the odd CSD/ CS that follow the AAB method, but I am sure that many would agree, the discipline starts in the briefing room!

I care about what happens to QR because of the good people there and their families...remember...YOU could be next...

Just look at the recent sackings....and the reasons....

Good that enjoy it, many do...make the most of it because it will not last!

[junkyard dog]

O.k. Homesick , I see your point .... but beleive me if AAB does not use his dictatorship method , hell would break lose..

QR can not afford any mistakes , remember 1 accident and the airline is gone.

Not every employee in the airline is mature , you get different kinds of people....
Imagine being in a school with an easy soft principle , what would all the kids do?

I think AAB has orders to act like this , in the old place where he used to work his attitude was completly different.

I beleive that the fear element should be there.

thanks

[A300Man]

Junkyard

Sheikh Mohamed, Maurice Flanagan and even James Hogan don't use this style of dictatorial management, and there is no real sign of anarchy at either EK or GF.

So, how do these guys get away with it, but in Doha, AAB has to have his six thousand fingers in six thousand pies! (pardon the parody).

I admire the guy's tenacity and his sheer love and passion for the company and his desire for success.

But, this style just cannot go on! He MUST let go of some of the reins at some stage and entrust and empower his management team to fully do the jobs for which they were hired!

Come on........we all agree with this. Why have a dog and bark yourself, as the saying goes?

[Bang]

A 300 man,I see similar style of words used in many of the posts written by people contributing to this forum.are you having multiple identities?

Just curious,thats all.

[junkyard dog]

With PPRUNE Police around , expect any Identity mate...

Someone attended a QR meeting once and heard AAB saying that they will trace people that post negitives about QR ,
what are the odds that QR police can actually trace you?

Anyone?

[dupont3700]

What surprises me is that the amount of people leaving monthly is near to be equal to those joining every month. How can they still expand? If only there would be unions in Qatar.... . Has anyone thought about a strike? what would be the consequences? Would everyone be terminated? That would be the end of QR. Hope there will never be an end to QR but the top of the company will have to change for that in order to be succesful.

[A300Man]

Bang,

Referring to your comments above, I must add that I have exactly the same feeling about YOUR posts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If you have anything to say to me of a sensitive nature, either PM me or call me. You have my numbers and you know who I am!

Don't change the subject of this thread - if you want to start another one about multiple identities, then it will be the longest thread in history!! As Junkyard said, people at QR are terrified to post negative comments because they are being tracked down by someone......

In any case, all of the threads on this ME Forum are in the English language.

Back to the real issue - I guess that strikes are forbidden under Qatari labour laws and the Contract of Employment issued by QR. And in any case, that wouldn't really solve anything.

All the Company needs is for its management team to be empowered.

[jet4hire]

Does any one Knows what happen to Derrick, DMartin and Roberts? woderful guys! but ........

I Just haven't seen these guys in a long time!!!!!!!!
just curious:D any news?
Have a nice day you all!!!!!

[Africanhope]

Been reading through this forum, interesting, but somehow sad to read. Seems there is a couple of inmature people around/in the company (and they are flight crew !!).

Cheers,

Anyone in any company as far as i know is free to leave if they are unhappy with the company/conditions and if they do !

A good advice "never slam the door after you when you leave", the aviation world is very small. It seems that some people ignore that.

"The people you meet on the way up, you will meet again on the way down"

Good luck to your company in the future.

I am not working in Qatar Airways just for your info, but as Airbus driver in another part of the world.

Cheers

[jet4hire]

I am curious?
to know who you work for?

I do like your way of putting things!

Cheers

[Big Time Charlie]

It makes me laugh some of the people asking do you know this person and that person right in the middle of serious discussion!!! They must be on something!!!

If A300 Man is serious about what he's saying about QR's figs and profitability over on the "Qatar Critical" thread then we may well be "out of a prune job" as AAB will surely on his bike...literally and then we'll have nothing to moan about.

As far as Junkyard Dog goes...there's been some good threads from A300man, Goldstone, Homesic k etc but surely this joker is stirring everybody up, just trying to make stupid comments suposedly in support of AAB's style etc. I think we should just ignore further threads from him/her and treat them with the contempt they deserve.

Some of the purposes of my threads is to get the Board to listen, get them to take action and turn QR into the company they should be rather than the one they are...if what A300Man is right then maybe, just maybe they have listened. The bouncer and his "prune police" can't touch you as far as I know. Frankly I'm past caring now.

[kenoco]

exactly btc,a300man is well informed and speaks with wisdom and the facts,he knows what he is talking about,QR has such great potential,i hope somebody in high places realises this xxM.

[Africanhope]

I work in Europe at this stage on the A310/300-600. Don't really want to mention which company.

May apply for Qatar Airways later and don't think it is wise to show who I am considering what i have seen on Pprune.

My opinion is though "take it or leave it" nobody is forced to stay whereever they work. Slavery has been abandoned for quite some time now.

Cheers

[Goldstone]

Africanhope:

Slavery may have been abolished in Africa, but not in Qatar.

QR expat staff (non-flying anyway) have had no salary increase for years. Particularly true of the ones from the Indian sub-continent. It is virtual slavery as no-one complains for fear of being fired (which means they immediately have to leave the country)and none want to go back to the ISC.

As an expat you cannot leave the country without an exit permit which you have to obtain from your employee. So if you suddenly decide at the weekend that you would like to jump on an aeroplane and go to DXB you can't ... unless you've planned ahead.

I liken it to house arrest!

[homesick rae]

wise words as always goldstone:ok:

[727Man]

I spent two years there on the 727's It was ok @first but after 6months been there dun that etc. rent, housing,schooling etc.
whats that no chance. if you need the type rating and they accept you go for it but dont stay to long. can be like a prison,need to ask permission to leave the country and get an "Exit Permit" Go to muscat,Dubai, or Abu dabi, apply to Emirates Fantastic! you get where Im coming from?!!

[homesick rae]

yeah the exit permit thing stank, but in the old days you could get it sorted out fairly quickly, then it all went pear shaped...

i once got an exit permit and they'd put DXB instead of LHR!!

(727 man looking for colsy by the way...any ideas)

[jet4hire]

but you are right! hope
nobody is forced to be here or there!
cheers
:cool:

[kenoco]

Exactly,nobody is really forced to stay in QR,which is why the company is totally up the creek,most of the good people leave.

[Big Time Charlie]

There is, of course, something very rare called a, wait for it......multiple exit permit.....very rare of course because your freind and mine won't permit hardly anybody to have one (I never met anybody...even the regular travellers...who had one)...other people in other non-QR companies had them though!

On a slightly different note, I met someone today who works for one of the worlds major players (but based in ME) who could only laugh when AAB's name was mentioned...didnt really have anything good to say about him or QR......such is the reputation of the man throughout the industry (Those that have ever heard of him that is!)

[Bang]

A300man why dont you PM me your private numbers so that I could ask you those what you call 'questions of sensitive nature" in private?

[homesick rae]

great to see the topics hotting up again...at last!!!

[Goldstone]

Yep, isn't it great how the threads about QR always provoke the most interest and the highest level of negative feedback about an airline.

AAB must be the most loathed CEO of any airline in the world ... from the point of view of the staff. Amazing how one man can attract so much hatred. Undoubtedly prides himself on how much negative comment he receives.

I'm sure he reads this stuff. Any normal person would probably wonder if there wasn't something about his management style that needed changing. But then I guess he doesn't fall into the category of "normal person" as you and I know it.

[jet4hire]

But, you guys all we are doing by posting negative stuff and whining about the company we fly for!!! it also reflects on ourselves!!!

There was a guy a few weeks a go... who had everybodies attention by whining about personal issues such the Ritz and I noticed that every body was replying to his posts including my self, but then I realized, that what he was trying to do it was taking us all for a bunch of fools!!! well, I had an idea of who this character was?? and during a layover in Kuala Lumpur having a drink (won't mentioned any names) the guy I mentioned told me that he was disappointed of the pilots interest and creativity in writing a good interesting thread and that how easy it was to get everybodies attention by posting non sense "bull" and all the negative stuff and that unfortunately Pilots will read, and still will get their replies by colleagues whom instead of concentraiting in other issues "like they do in other forums" in this webpage will prefere to read BS than .....discuss good topics!

I have related some of his comments to what I read on his posts and I found out that the guy was totaly the opposite from the stories he wrote. He had a very nice personality and he is a great and talent looking guy and an excellent guy to get along with...!

The point that I am trying to make here!!! is that no matter how bad we talked about QR or about Mr. ABB things will continue to roll.... and never will change for as long as we fly here! But I believe that if we stop making him feel important and if we stop writing negative issues that immplicate him!!! his popularity may decay and perhaps he might change some day??? the guy is not all that bad. I have spoken with him. he just have differences in the filosophy and in the way the airline will operate from the rest of the world. but the true is that if we want to be here!! we got to deal with them!!! I suggest that we should ignore all the BS and concentrate in posts that show a more productive and learning aspect such our flying experiences or helping ourselves with our talent and to learn how to cope with the adversity!


By the way the QR movie is great!!!! congratulations to all of you guys who made it possible! too bad they didn't include the good fellows from the A300. Few guys were call "retard"-ed more than once and two of the Caps. Briefings were also very poorly to much non sense info and bad cordination with three LCL caps! Is this one of the reasons why we should be proud??? No way....!!!

Sincerely,
:cool:

[Tibesti 3415]

Are there still leaving pilots in numbers every month, and how is the new hiring going, any chance for a low houred type rated pilot getting onboard not fulfilling their requirements.

[Qatari515]

keep on trying my son.....keep on trying!

Jet4hire,

I totally agree with you and your posting is reflecting my thoughts exactly ....I have been trying to bring these points to attention but....

It seems to me that most of the people reading these forums are only interested in cheap stories and gossip!

Common guys, if yiy critisize the company the least thing you could do is mentioning the positive points as well and maybe, just maybe, you could throw in a suggestion as well!

We have been doing that now a while internally and people will see the resuls very soon.....

Have some balls guys!

[qnc3guy]

Well I have thought of posting for some time and have held back. However I thought I would share some of my thoughts.

I spent a few months there with QR in 2002. In short I will say that I enjoyed my experience there and was very torn even when I left there. (I was given an opportunity with a sucessful airline in my home country.)

The flying and the variety in areas of operation is truly great. The equipment is very nice and well maintained. The pilots in the training department I found to be professional and very well suited to their task. The inflight service is much better than what I have here at home.


Why did I leave you may ask? That was a very difficult decision. One has to weigh all the options and the cards dealt and play them in a way you think best at the time. In retrospect with the benefit of hind sight I may well still be there if that was an option.

All I can say is that one has to accept that QR is Qatar's Airline. We are just the hired help. Live by the terms of the contract and let them run their airline. If you find something that suits you better then leave. No one holds a gun to your head to stay. I gave proper notice and although I was not there long, I appreciated the dignity and respect shown towards me by management in operations.


Doha is not a bad place. Perhaps the renumeration package could be improved as far as housing and education is concerned. That would make a big difference. Scheduling was strained due to expansion. I am sure this is still true today also.

Life is what you make of it. And happiness is an inside job. Not exclusively dependant on your surroundings. I know Qatar is not Disneyland, but it is a safe place to be. It offers diversity of cultural background that is interesting. There are in fact worse places to be on this planet.

As for ABB. Well who cares. The man has a job to do and we as pilots have a job to do also. So just do your job and enjoy the experience for as long as it suits you to be there. That holds true for any airline job in the world as far as I can tell.

Anyways, This may not be what some would like to hear. But if anyone is considering QR. I can tell you that it did not work for me at the time. But I did enjoy myself, and I actually miss many aspects of the place now. I would even consider returning if that was an option.

It may go differently for you. If it seems to be the right thing for you to do, then go and try it. You may last longer there than I did.

:D

[jet4hire]

Cheers to that my friends!

If you! realized how many topics we have to write and read about in this industry???

We'll never finish but I believe is worth to give it a try!!! lets all discuss professional issues that would make us more productive and more tolerant! so we can learn to tolarate one and other.
to make us more prudent!!

BEE Safe!!! &
Happy Landings!!!!

CRM of the day??? Who should abort the take off PNF or PF?



:ok:

[Capt Krunch]

Well it was good to see someone out there who feels that same way I do about working here at QA..

it's a good place to work and live, just depends on how you prefer to look at things..

do the job the way they want it done, after all they sign the checks, live here with respect that your an Ex-Pat and not a local, plan to take more than 1 day to do something that should only take a few hours, and try your hardest to keep out of the round-abouts while driving,, do all those things and life is really good here,,

I certainly would not concider moving to another airline right now, as this is a growing airline with great oppertunitys on the horizon.. most of the guys on the line are good chaps and theres good fun to be had.

I can only assume that some guys just need something to complain about, as most of the things I read are not completely true

[homesick rae]

Capt Krunch...

The flight deck generally never had any probs with AAB, apart from the odd occasion.

CC live in constant threat and the "management" in there have just promoted a bunch of inexperienced crew to checker level!

Doha is a nice place to live and the airline fun with some good people there. I hope they do well.

Personally, I am expressing an opinion... have been there, seen it and done it until fairly recently! What I saw was potential...but it still remains, and I know he will be there forever, is that without AAB, the airline would function more professionally...again I cannot say much from a Flight Deck point of view.

It just seems that nothing changes...

[jet4hire]

But, I at least I have something to enjoy doing !!! its a challange compare to doing things back home, I still enjoyed though regardless of the time I spend in the office and the staff travel and the non-sense issues I heard or read from QR management my life is run by me and no body else!!!! for as long as I am here I will enjoy and go the caribbean way don't worry be happy!!!

Cheers............... and fly for fun and work for the heck of it!!!! to support all your señoritas!! :cool:

[Willie Everlearn]

WOW!!!:bored:

What an exhaustive read to this point.

Typical of most airline FDC who perceive their CEOs as plonkers. However, I can't think of a successful airline run by FDC despite our uncanny belief that we know best how to run things. Funny, that. But then most FDC also think they have the right solutions for almost anything.

Ours is to enjoy the task we so readily seek to occupy our time with and get paid for doing it. Right? Isn't that why we fly???

A good number of you in this thread should try to imagine a world in which you are not employed. You are not flying, full stop! You can't stay current and you can't afford to stay current and the further you go out of recency the less chance you have to land a job flying aeroplanes. Which I can assure you, really, really sucks. Perhaps then you will be better able to enjoy QR and the excellent equipment you must surely be operating.

Would it be possible to solicit a middle-of-the-road response from someone presently IN Qatar Airways:confused: regarding the following request for information? (Possibly ex-Royal A310)

Firstly, the middle east is still the middle east. That means Christian foreigners are likely to find numerous differences in life and lifestyle. Which is what the majority of complaints in this thread seem to be about.

So let's cut to the chase.

With the worldwide employment situation for pilots being what it is....how's the work for the A300-600 fleet. I understand it's mostly European destinations and is the compensation package that unrealistic given the state of the economy and cost of expansion? Not to mention the revenue loads/numbers generating dollars for QR to divy up amongst the various slices of the expense 'pie'. It may be a wealthy emirate but airlines everywhere are in agony and some could soon find themselves out-of-business.

How do you get this airline to respond to your application? My time and experience is beyond what they are asking for and I even have (not recently) bags of A300-600 time.

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. :ok:

[I Don't Work Here]

recently a Belgium 320 F/O left Qatar Airways in a hurry... in doing so he left most of his belongings to and American chap from his starting course, and slipped out of the country with his new bride and with out a sound.. he was good enough to send back his company attire but not before shredding them and putting them in the post, destin for Qatar Airways... a very childish thing to do to say the least... in doing that he has made it extremely difficult for the others from the same Ex national airline to join the airline..

I'm sure this will come back to haunt him one day.. as we all know this is a small industry.. The same would go for his accomplis, the American fellow....

I feel bad for my Sabena colleagues.. as things are difficult enough with out immature under experienced children making things worse.

[Capt Krunch]

I also recently recieved reports on this Belgium and American...I agee I.D.W.H this kind of thing makes it harder for guys like us who like it here, are willing to go the distance and want to stick around..
I would assume, due to the fact we are growing at such an alarming rate, it would leave some room for the bad apples such as them to creep in un detected..

lesson learned.

[Dechi]

Capt. Krunch,

Please check your PM's.

Regards,

Dechi

[Qatari515]

I find it disgusting the way this Belgian left!!!!

The least thing you could do is show the company some respect! For all sake, they hired him and gave him a job! I can understand that someone is unhappy somewhere but that does not want to say that you have to behave like an a***hole!

And he planned it very well because a week prior his cowardish run he shipped stuff to belgium!!

The biggest problem now indeed is that he virtually ruined all the chances for Belgians ( ex sabena) to be hired by QR! This was confirmed to me recently! A lot of guys where waiting for an answer from QR, ab initios as well. I guess there dreams just dissappeared!!!
For all the rest of us here, all nationalities, this will probably mean that we will loose certain priviliges! Remember that the multi exit visa is a very big privilege granted to us by QR!!!!!!!
Allready they are looking into a plan where they will not pay your salary untill the time you report back in Doha comming from leave!!! Thanks B.M.!!!!!!!!

Off course this guy now is employed safely by LTE !!!!! A contract he could not refuse! Very nice! Next time use your minimalistic brain you egocentric bastard!

Concerning the american accomplice, I would not worry too much. ...he is well connected!


It is very easy to jump ship guys...But plse think about all the others around you! They will pay heavily for what you did!

My only relief: this is a very small world and what goes around comes around! I hope he will get what he deserves!

:*

[ManaAdaSystem]

Why did he jump?

[A300Man]

As well as Europe, the A300's also fly Asian and sub-continental routes, not to mention North Africa and dense Gulf sectors.

Most operations now in two classes on these machines.

[homesick rae]

jumping ship is the only way to leave QR...purely from a Cabin Crew point of view!

[Dechi]

Dear Qatari 515,

Please check your Private Messages.

Regards,

Dechi

[I Don't Work Here]

One would think that the American might be well connected,, but one thing rings true.. if your Deputy Chief Pilot found out he was the one being played.. well then he would not be so well connected anymore.. would he..?

Anyone who would support actions that were taken up by Ben the Belgium should also recieve the same punishment as the one he had assisited... as you said.. the actions of both persons will contribue to making this harder for all you..

I feel very bad for all those that are trying to make it work, only to be shafted by a pair of selfish Idiots..

one can only hope that the Ban on hireing Sabena pilots due to these idiots will not be indefinate..
everyone has a family to feed.

Hope things get better for you all at QA

[MPH]

Just wondering, is their anybody out their, with contacts in the HRM dept. I sent my CV about three months ago, no answer up till now? Not from Belguim, by the way! I am not type rated on any of their current aircraft, so maybe that's a problem? TT 17,000 wide body..but no Airbus experience.::cool:

[Goldstone]

Think about it .... if Qatar Airways was run as a decent, caring company that treated its employees with a reasonable degree of respect, then people would not need to "jump ship" in this way. When it's run like a prison camp it's not surprising that inmates have to hatch escape plans.

[ManaAdaSystem]

I'm sure QR will make the mature decision to ban all ex Sabena pilots, all Belgian nationals, and possibly all French or Dutch speaking pilots.
Shut up guys (and gals); remember you are a privileged lot. QR has even given you a multiple exit visa!!!!

While the young man in question may have shown a less than desirable behavior, I often find the following to be true:
When you treat people like idiots, they react like idiots.

And in Knoteetingham, :E :E :E :E is never to blame.

[jet4hire]

Guys we don't have to be to hard on the poor man! I heard one of the TRE was a good friend of him. Also they were after him for personal reasons something that had to do with a female CSD and he knew something was coming! Not to excuse him but I believe that before we judge somebody we must all know all the facts.

Cheers and happy landings!!!:O

[MPH]

I wonder if 'ManaAdanSystem' is jealous of pilots from the Benelux? I know, that one or two may have been out of order , but to put every national of those countries into the same pot is abusrd. Do you or don't you know, if QR need's pilots or not?
I am sure that we not only qualify but probaly have better work ethics than yourself? After all, you are the one's, whom are looking for flight crew? :rolleyes:

[laury]

MPH
I think you misunderstood his point.
Calm down!

[ManaAdaSystem]

Thanks laury:ok:

I was warned about using irony on the net, now I know why.;)

MPH, work ethics? :ugh: Hope you don't plan to bring that up if you go for an interview...

[MPH]

ManaAdaSystem
In hindsight, my apologies if I sounded ofensive in my comments to your Benelux bashing. I imagine your reasoning in complaining about the Belguim chap, could or was justified. But, please don't put everyone from these countries,into the the same pot! I imagine the Belguim guy had a reason, to do what he did. His way of leaving, obviously was not the way to go about things?
My apologies, once again...don't worry, I wont talk about ethics in my interview...if I ever am granted one!:O

[Willie Everlearn]

MPH
Did I get it wrong?

Your post suggests that pilots from Belgium are somehow superior to pilots from other countries and that Belgian pilots are doing QR a favour by making themselves available? :bored:
My apology if I've gotten it wrong, but

Pullllleeeeeeese!!!! :confused:

Might I suggest you tone it down a little bit for there are talented pilots out here from all walks of life, many different cultures with varying degrees of experience and ability which QR could well put to good use.

As a TRI I can assure you there is no one country, culture, race or religion with a monopoly on 'smarts'.

The manner in which this young lad seems to have left QR is certainly not new in the Middle East and it will undoubtedly happen again. The fact that he may be Belgian is of no consequence. The fact that he may be Belgian will undoubtedly make the Qataris 'gun-shy' when it comes to Belgian applicants.
To suggest discrimination on the basis of ones nationality henseforth in the hiring practices at QR isn't outside the realm of possibility, is it?

I suppose by saying so, it just makes YOU feel better. :{

[MPH]

Not really! Just thought that the comment: 'QR should make a mature decision to ban all Sabena, all Belguim nationals and possibly all French or Dutch speaking pilots', a bit over the top? I wonder, if that includes 'french speaking Canadian's'?
By the way you probably misinterpreted my apology. My apology to ManaAdaSystem was sincere.:hmm:

[Gnadenburg]

I heard the fellow was being lined up for a humiliating sacking.

Touche! He got in there first and saved face in true Qatari fashion.

The only way things will change is with pilot turnover and poor professional publicity for Qatar Airways. I'm sure the kingdom is proud of their airline but maybe the realisation that it is tainted unneccessarily could lead to options for change.

The staff are treated so poorly that any future incident already has partial explaination. And what a humiliation for Qatar that would be!

Mr Al Baker. Be careful as history has preceded you. Your masochistic treatment of your staff and indication of closet perversions.

[homesick rae]

Gnadenberg...a round of applause sir!:ok:

[chinny]

:sad: :sad: :sad: FI has just had an ad out for Hawker VIP with Qatar Airways, to which I applied.

:{ Having read the whole of this forum ,me now thinks that there are some serious a**holes in management,---just from the threads read.

Does anyone out there know what the affiliation with the two is?

I've only been to Doha a couple of times,but apart from that don't have much clue what it's like---:confused: :confused: :confused: is it vastly different from Dubai and Abu????

Are the working conditions in the Company that bad ?:{

[Willie Everlearn]

MPH

My apology to you for reading perhaps more into your post than you may have intended.

I think, in all honesty to a fellow pilot, and as someone who's lived in the Gulf, discrimination is the one thing the Khaleejis mastered eons ago. WE won't change that so I honestly don't see the point in stating the obvious. As right as you may be....
the truth is MANY nationalities have skipped town out there, this one just may happen to be Belgique.
I really don't think that will have much impact on QR and their hiring practices. For all I know.

:ok:

[MPH]

Thanks for the clarification on the the local habits!
Yea, it's dificult to figure out, sometimes, where all these post's are really coming from?
It was a pleasure to have conversed..once again my apologies for any misinterpretation!

:ok:

[ph-heineken]

MPH

Could you please send me a PM and give me your e-mail adres. Got a privat question for you.

Friendly regards,
PHH

[homesick rae]

Captain sacked

I hear AAB has recently sacked one of the companies most experience captains!

I do not know the full story, except it may have been that he failed a sim check?

Whatever the reason, this poor guy has been left, unable to leave the country due to the fact he has a loan...

Sure, it is up to the individual as to their choices regarding finances, but isn't it about time that little pinhead of a CEO showed just an ounce of compassion and understanding to his staff.

The gentleman in question has commited no crime, but I am sure he is being made to feel that he has!

AAB :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

Sad really.

[qnc3guy]

this thread has finally come to a stop?

too bad... it has been fun reading.

[chinny]

:( Not heard a dickie-but then again not surprised after reading this site?:p :p :p
Unfortuneatly still in :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: uk!

VTSP !

[sirwa69]

Just heard that the Crown Prince has been sacked. Apparently he asked Daddy for more descision making authority and Daddy remembered that this is how he started on the track to getting rid of his dad. :confused:

On On

[laury]

The board has just recently questioned Al Baker on the turn over of cabin crew and why several were dismissed as a direct order from him.
As of May 03 he accounted for 68 dismissals.
He has been asked to account for each and every one with reasoning behind them.
I think our leader now might be getting the message as pressure is coming from the top.
I hope this is true for the sake of the cabin crew.

[homesick rae]

Laury, I do not doubt your words and sincerely hope that this may be a sign of things to come.

However, for a few years now there have been so many stories about him and he is still in existence!

Keep us posted though!

[swede-basher]

I hear another GM has departed (A.S)

[Goldstone]

If there's any justice in the world AAB will be kicked out and replaced with someone competent to run an airline the size of QR.

[A300Man]

Laury

As far as I know, there were no questions asked by the board relative to accounting for the 68 dismissals. I don't know where this came from. How solid is your source? I don't even think they are interested in staff turnover - only bottom line.

A300Man

[shakirarah]

Well said Goldstar!

Call me cynical or paranoid , but seems to me that Abuspilot is deflecting us from the real issues at QR, how nice for AAB.

Could he be a plant or a pawn???

Makes sense, spend time talking about this dick, and forget the real issues.

After all he is just one man, and not a very good specimen at that!!!

[mutt]

I do not know the full story, except it may have been that he failed a sim check?

Ummmmmmm, isnt this a reason for dismissal???



Mutt.

[homesick rae]

Mutt.

Sure is!

What I meant to say is that this was the reason given, but apparently there was something else behind it.

Message came from the person themself!

[jet4hire]

He is not gone! I saw him at the Emirates Flight training center:O