Comed Blackpool

[Relaunch]

Rumour control tells me Comed will be started from next week with the flying school and all approvals including the very much sought after TRTO, The Bar, The Maintenance and even an E110 Operation initially with a freight contract bur a pax one very soon.

A deal has been struck with the major creditor Blackpool Airport and even the impounded Banderiante together with all the privatly owned aircraft will be released.

Can any one out there enlighten me further, and if the above is true well done to Mr M!

[dada]

believe this to be so. can't say i'm pleased for him - will he be paying back all the people he owes first and foremost ?

[Dagger-D]

He we go again eh, Sounds like another dodgy plan to me. He'd be better of selling second hand cars.

[FooFighter]

Forgive my ignorance but what is "TRTO" ?

Cheers
Foo

[Relaunch]

TRTO stands for Typr rating Training Organisation, Comed aviation held the only E110 Type rating centre in Europe

[Wingtank]

Second-hand car dealers are more trustworthy. Get your money up front if you deal with Comedy Airlines.

[Pontious]

Best of luck,Murgy!
Just make sure that you dont make the same mistake of employing the same bunch of lame brained,bitching,moaning,back stabbing,incompetant combination of"has-beens"and"never-going-to be´s"!!!!
Rob,for the sake of your reputation,pay realistic salaries(not peanuts),dont treat your staff like s*"#,stay away from the blondies and BE VERY CAREFUL who you employ!!You once told me when you were an AFI at Keith Whyams that"You get what you pay for!" Here endeth the sermon.
Best of luck,mate and I ll catch up with you for a beer when I m back in the UK.
Pontious
P.S. I think you should sell the beach back to Inglis.

[PURPLE PITOT]

Hey Martin,
Me-LR35
NR-Britannia 757
MD-Sabre/Exel 737 NG
DM-BMC EMB145
RW-BE Dash 8
AC-BE Dash 8
DB-BE200
RT-Emerald 748
PW-Emerald 748
JC-BE200
Does that make us has beens or never gonna bes?

Ps, We are organizing a BPL reunion shortly if you would care to join us.

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[Torquemada]

This outfit owes money to dozens of people on the Isle of Man who purchased tickets with debit cards or cash for services on Comed before they went belly up. A local ladies darts team, for example, paid nearly £1000 for a charter, the money readily being accepted by Comed hours before they ceased operations - what does that say to you about their business ethics. If this group are allowed to start again without paying these people back it will be an absolute disgrace.

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[Pontious]

Purple pitot,
Nice to hear from you,and I´m pleased that you and most of the rest of the boys have gone on to MUCH better things,however my comments weren´t directed at the pilots,or in fact anyone within the airline.
I think everyone knows who the gossips are or were and that their poison and back stabbing didn´t help things along with other factors.You´´ve all done well take care and I ll see you around.
I´d love to meet up with you all for a beer,Mark.You can get my no. from Rae.Just let me know where and when the reunion is.


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[Relaunch]

Torquemada.
Nice comments where is all your information coming from?
Comed was stopped by the Blackpool Airport Management on 22 Feb 2001 due to an investor not coming up with the lolly (or so I am told)Jetstream operator on the routes with grant money from a local aid the following Monday (stinks or what?).Comed was run by one individual entreprenere who also enjoyed Flying like most of you who choose to slag him off, he is also out of work with like others a mortgage and a family to support, good luck to Mr M I wish him well and I would personaly like to see Comed rise from the ashes!Purple Pitot Comed has not gone belly up the Company is still in Administrive recievership.

[PURPLE PITOT]

I heard a nasty rumour that our illustrious former chief pilot is now flying for the same jetstream operator that helped screw us.

Relaunch, the investor you speak of is financially involved with the jetstream operator, and screwed us from the inside.

Robert, good luck, but listen to pontious and all the other good advise.

[Relaunch]

Purple Pitot.
Regretable NW now flies for Platinum as P1, however he also has bills to pay!
Have you any more information on the inside take over ?
I will pass your comments onto RM

[fragul]

Just a thought - perhaps if the person in charge had not allowed himself to get in so much financial difficulty in the first place, the "alleged" shafting by the Jetstream operator would never have happened. As an aside , the Jetstream operator certainly seems to offer a more professional, efficient and punctual service, and a return to late, unreliable noisy bandeirantes would on the face of it appear to be a retrograde step.

[Torquemada]

Relaunch, here is the article to which I refer - it is from the IOM Newspapers

DARTS TEAM LOSES CASH AFTER AIRLINE COLLAPSE


A WOMENS’ darts team is furious after losing almost £900 following the collapse of Blackpool airline Comed Aviation in February.
Members of the Christabels team from the Central Hotel in Peel chartered a flight at a cost of £89 each for Saturday, May 5 to take them on their annual weekend trip to England.

When they heard Comed had gone bust they contacted the airline only to be passed on to the receivers, who told them it was unlikely they’d ever see their cash again.

The team, which lies just below mid-table in the Ladies’ Western League, has since been making every effort to raise the £500 to cover the cost of taking the boat and a minibus in order to still have their weekend in Blackpool next month.

Team treasurer Joan Corkill has had a letter from the receivers.

She explained: ‘It basically said it isn’t likely that we will get anything back.

‘We feel that we have been ripped off. When we tried to book it Comed said they could not accept the booking without the money up front.

‘They must have known that things were bad but they were still taking bookings and we feel annoyed that if they knew they were going under why they were still prepared to take the money.’

Joan added: ‘We save our money through the year, putting some away each week. The weekend we wanted to go on the flight to Blackpool was booked up and someone suggested chartering a plane so that is what we did.’

Charles MacMillan of receiver BDO Stoy Hayward in Manchester said he was looking into the conduct of Comed’s directors.

He explained: ‘It is the receiver’s duty under statute to investigate the conduct of the directors and issue a report which has to be published within six months.

‘It is then up to the Department of Trade as to whether it wants to bring any action as a result of the report.’

Mr MacMillan confirmed there was ‘absolutely no chance’ of Joan and her team getting a refund



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[go]

ponchas...you are obviously NOT owed any money...bobby owed me money for one and a half years not much,,,but I rang him once a month or so all this time and never did get anything back...he constantly said "the money is in the post" and what you havnt got it yet" so I would like to meet him again...I live 200miles fm blackpool so I was never able to go there personaly...thats my fault...the receivers said I have no hope of getting my money so there,,,,

[Know It All]

Well, I am new to bulletin boards but it surprises me how much hear say and rumours are mentioned with very little fact included. Any comments on this lot?

£664,762.74 is the Total owed to Blackpool Airport Ltd from Comed Aviation Ltd

Eleven aircraft impounded at the airport, valued at between £15,000 and £350,000 each, these include
1 Bandit
2 PA23's
1 Slingsby
5 PA28's
1 Chipmunk
1 C172

£544,154.13 is the Total allocated to the eleven aircraft impounded by the airport.
This is the amount wanted by the airport from the owners of these eleven aircraft.

The airport solicitors state - The airport is not under any obligation to provide details of the way in which this sum is apportioned between the aircraft because the aircraft were detained under section 88 (1) (a) (ii) of the act. Meaning they can sell any aircraft to pay any of the charges. Eg sell the Slingsby to pay fees allocated to the Bandit.

Other aircraft have been impounded by the receivers at Blackpool. Does anybody know how many and what they are?

One aircraft may have been impounded by a maintenance company at Leeds Bradford Airport. ( Multiflight ?) ( Owed £250,000?) Can any one confirm this?


Mr Peter Whitehead - Windmill Holdings
see http://www.blackpoolfc.co.uk/peter.htm
This is the man who was allegedly reported to have invested money into Comed, wanted it back and then called in the receivers when he could not get it. Was it his money or was he the front man for another director at the football club? Anybody Know?

Relaunch said on the 14th that Comed would be up and running again next week, that week and another has been and gone, what's happened to the deal with the airport? I'd guess there was no deal! He also said Comed had not gone belly up, how about tits up!

DaDa asked if people owed money would be paid first, again I doubt it because Mr M as people call him, would start a new company and do the usual to all the others - crap on them.

Dagger-D was the nearest to the point.

Purple Pitot - Have you any more information on the inside take over? Come on spit it out if you have, or is it just rumour?
Come on let's have some proper news! Surely someone can add to this!

The council owns 100% of the shares of Blackpool Airport Ltd but they operate the company at "arms length" even though the airport is heavily subsidised by the council. The Airport has it's own board of directors, see below.

Useful Contact Details

Comed Aviation Ltd
Building 28
Blackpool Airport
Squires Gate Lane
Blackpool
FY4 2QY
Tel 01253 349072
Company No 01629566
DATE OF Incorporation 16/04/1982
Directors -
Mr R Murgatroyd and Miss A R Dearden

C.C.S MACMILLAN and D.J POWER
Joint Administrative Receivers
BDO Stoy Hayward
Third Floor
Peter House
St Peter's Square
Manchester
M1 5AB
Tel 0161 236 1955

Mr P Williams
District Auditor
3rd Floor
Sumner House
St Thomas's Road
Chorley
PR7 1HP
Tel 01257 230303

Blackpool Borough Council
See - http://www.blackpool.gov.uk
( Good web site, even has minutes for the meetings etc)

The Chief Executive
Blackpool Borough Council
PO Box 77
Town Hall
Corporation Street
Blackpool
FY1 1AD


Gordon Marsden MP (for Blackpool South)
Constituency Office
132 Highfield Road
Blackpool
FY4 2HH
Tel 01253 344143

Rt Hon Michael Jack MP (for Fylde)
House of Commons
Westminster
SW1A 0AA
Tel 020 7219 3000

Mr Gary Eastwood (Airport Managing Director)
Blackpool Airport Ltd
Squires Gate Lane
Blackpool
FY4 2QY
Tel 01253 343434
Company No 02084247
Date of Incorporation 15/12/1986
Board of Directors
Mr G Eastwwod Executive Director
Cllr D Owen Chairman
Cllr M Callow
Cllr N E Hardy
Cllr L Henderson
Cllr R R Lewis
Cllr A Mathews
Cllr G Wynne
Mr R J Millington Executive Director - resigned 20/09/2000
Cllr P R Wood resigned 05/05/2000
Cllr W Burgess resigned 20/09/2000
Cllr S Hill resigned 05/05/2000
Details for all the Councillors can be found on the Council web site, look under Democracy.

The accountants acting for the Airport are KPMG

The Solicitors acting for Blackpool Airport/Council are:-
Denton Wilde Sapte
Five Chancery Lane
Clifford's Inn
London
EC4A 1BU
Tel 020 73205573
Quote SWM Ref Blackpool Airport

The Local Government Ombudsman
Beverley House
17 Shipton Road
York
YO30 5FZ
Tel 01904 663200
(Ask for Complaint form)

[N1, Bug UP]

I wonder how many of the freinds once loyal to Comed will now help the arrogant Murggy in his time of need... not me !!

[The Groover]

Relaunch
What nonsense about the Jetstream operator stabbing them in the back, in this day and age if an opertunity arises, well done to those who are geared up to take it. Spare us the hypocracy, cause comedy would do just that if the roles were reversed !!
I suppose the only reason it stinks is that their pax figs are up, are doing extremely well, and have a gained a VERY good reputation with the local business communities.
Where is this mythical route going to be to ??? Try somewhere no one has heard of Comedy, thats the only way they will go for it !!!

TG

[Rockwell]

KNOW IT ALL you state that BPL Airport is owed £664,762.74 in total.

Can we clarify that this figure is either:
(1) as stated and is the amount owing SOLELY to BPL Airport, or
(2) the figure quoted is in fact the sum total of ALL debts, including
the Airport, Multiflight and many others?

The rough figure of approx.£500,000 was going out at the time of demise
and was a grand total of ALL accumulated debts owing, of which Blackpool
Airport was but one creditor.

[Relaunch]

Know It All
Your Information intrigues me, I presume you are or have something to do with the man who has a vulcan?
7 aircraft are detained by the airport which are owned either outright or partialy with Comed, 5 aircraft are detained by the airport wholely owned by Comed, two aircraft escaped and are sat at Carlisle, and one aircraft as you rightly state is at Leeds, with unpaid maintenance charges of £180k.
Mr Whitehead was the front man for a consortium on the Isle Of Man, the truth of the Comed demise is as yet not knowledge although I belive if the deal is not struck with the airport the whole mess will end up in court and thoes out there that helped stop a company employing 70+ staff and an annual turnover in excess of 4.5 Million will be brought to justice.
A deal had been struck with the airport on thursday 12 April 2001 although the airport appears to be back pedaling now , does any one know any more ?


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[The Groover]

Relaunch
Have the laws in this country suddenly changed ???
I was not aware that you could be 'brought' to justice if someone owes you money !!!!


TG

[Know It All]

I confirm that £664,762.74 is the Total owed to Blackpool Airport Ltd from Comed Aviation Ltd.
Other debts are due to others.

Of the Eleven aircraft impounded at the airport :-
1 Bandit Owned by Belgian Business, Sky Service BVBA
2 PA23's Both bought by Comed from private individuals, neither paid for!
1 Slingsby Jointly owned by group
5 PA28's 2 certainly owned by private individuals
1 Chipmunk Privately owned
1 C172 Comed owned

The owner of one of the PA28's, Mr P Bird who featured in the Blackpool Gazette article had a heart attack on the 11th April and was in intensive care foe a week. Hope he is OK now.

£544,154.13 is the Total allocated to the eleven aircraft impounded by the airport.
This is the amount wanted by the airport from the owners of these eleven aircraft.

Other aircraft have been impounded by the receivers at Blackpool. Does anybody know how many and what they are?
Do the receivers have rights to the aircraft at Carlisle?

If Mr M does a deal with the airport and gets his aircraft back in his possession can the receivers then take them of him to repay debts?

I have heard that fuel is not recoverable under section 88 is this correct?

Regarding the Vulcan - I hope this is not a Red Steer!

Any more info greatly received.


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[fragul]

relunch - do us al a favur and get a spel chekur !

[Know It All]

Come on somebody must know some news!

[Know It All]

Relaunch - if you are out there, ask Rumour Control when the deal with the Airport is going to take place?

[Know It All]

I see the report from the Joint Receivers has been released, anybody want some info?

[Tarmach]

Know It All,

where can I find the report from the joint receivers? Is it on the web?

Thanks,

Tarmach.

[Know It All]

It has been posted to all Creditors, Makes interesting reading!

[Rob 747]

WOAHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!
Is it true about Multi Flight???
I am about invest £10k with them to do my CPL Skills test and an instructors Rating!!
As all you people seem to be 'clued up' with the Blackpool Community, Can any of you truly reccomend any of the schools on Blackpool?(ie Westair)

Just to help me get things straight. Is the 'Jetstream operator' Air2*** PL****M.
If it is that is one nice aeroplane.
Please Help

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[Relaunch]

Rob 747
Do Not, I say again Do not pre pay for any Flight Training, pay as you go,

I invested money upfront in the former Comed Aviation, and for unseen circumstances the Flying Club was shut down right in the middle of my Training.
As for Multiflight, they also helped with the demise of Comed by charging unauthorised repair bills on Robs 3 Bandits totaling over £250.000.00 in just three months!

Then to add insult to injury they impounded Comeds bandit due to their inability to pay, and the rest, I am affraid is history.

There are no Commercial Flight Schools at Blackpool, Comed was the only one that held all approvals, however I belive Comed is about ready to get going again, and if you want Commercial Training get In touch with John Hunter on 01253 401837, he is an excellent Instructor and will deliver the goods in a shortest time, but be wary, do not, I say again do not pay up front for any Flight Training.

[Chox Away]

G'day peeps.

Been lurking around this thread for a while now and thought I'd post my own penneth worth in order to get some clarity on the situation.

According to Know It All, Comed only owned 1 aircraft (C172). The PA23's were not paid for, and all other aircraft impounded seem to be spoken for elsewhere. ReLaunch however seems to think that Comed own (or partially own)a lot more than that. Either way the general vibes I'm picking up from these posts are that Comed (or 'Comedy') as some people prefer, are (or more appropriately, were)a relatively small fish in the sea.

However, here's what's bugging me; credit of over £660K seems to be a rather large amount for such a very small fish. Surely this amount must have been authorised from somewhere.

Any thoughts?



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[Know It All]

I am surprised by Relaunch still thinking that Comed may rise from the ashes.

The receiver's report shows "Recorded unsecured claims from creditors per the company's records amount to approximately £1,515,000.00. Discussions with various parties regarding selling the company as a going-concern have been unsuccessful, he (the receiver) is in the process of releasing Company assets piecemeal to try and recover the indebtedness to the Debenture Holder. At this stage there is little prospect of the Debenture holder recovering its total indebtedness (£187,000). Also Based on current estimates there is no prospect of a dividend to unsecured creditors". I did not know about the bad debt from Executive airlines Dublin for £245,000. Any Others?

Good news for the private owners - I have been told the CAA has confirmed that fuel is not recoverable under Section 88 and have put this in writing. I have also been told that the airport solicitors have withdrawn the claim for unpaid landing fees because these had been paid. It's a good job the Airport manager used to be the Finance director or this may not have come to light so quickly!!

Rob 747, I agree with Relaunch, J Hunter is the man for CPL training he will push you hard but make use of every minute in the aircraft.

[BannerMan]

Bannerman bought all the assets of the Comed Clubhouse and hangar, stock and equipment, everything from toilet rolls to T-shirts, caps ties, split pins to one-armed bandits, not RM, he has two arms! Everything is for sale but I must warn you that RM is trying to buy furniture back for his new venue on Blackpool Airport! Also available two Citroen vans and a Granada car, collected at Bannerman's door is a bucketful of tears from the unfortunates that got career development loans from their Banks paid direct to Comed's account, one wonders whether the Bank has a responsibility here as they have not acted responsibly passing client's money direct to the company without checking it out fully. Is there a legal precident to be established here?

Should Robert be allowed to trade again on Blackpool airport - that is the question.

[dada]

only on a milkround and then perhaps people could end up owing him money and he'd realise
what it feels like to be owed.

[Willy Jazz the cans 2]

Shouldn't be allowed to trade anywhere if you ask me. Oh how I miss the datapost.

Hope all is well with all the staff that I haven't caught up with, we must get that pi$$up sorted!! PP when and where matey?

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[PENNINE BOY]

Mucky ripped off to many people with money up front,should not be allowed to trade again at blackpool.

Come back Sandra!!!!

[Know It All]

Well, Here is some more Comed news. Did you know that somebody has set up three new companies last week, Comed Flight Training Ltd, Comed Maintenance Ltd and Comed Schedule Services Ltd. Comed Flight Training is in the name of Martindale Kingham, Worsley House, Windle Street, St Helens. I don't have the details of the other two yet. Does any body else know about this?

Also the Receivers report refers to Windmill Investment Ltd as the debenture holder, Companies House show only one Windmill Investments Ltd which had changed it's name from Flitbuy Ltd on the 17/04/2001, any body know anything about this?

Chox Away, I have been told the credit was authorised by the Airport Manager Gary Eastwood with the full backing of the board of directors.

Bannerman, it looks like "Comed" maybe up and running again shortly but "who" is going to be Comed? Surely it can not be Murgy!

[Chox Away]

Know It All -

Your information intrigues me more and more. Are the debenture holders, Windmill Investments Ltd part of the same company as Windmill Holdings? Why should they have changed their name after being dormant and doing so only after bringing proceedings against Comed?

You also say, Mr Gary Eastwood (Airport Managing Director) had the full backing of the board of directors. If the local Authority wholly owns Blackpool Airport, why can I not find any reference to Comed and their financial problems in the local council minutes?


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[THE.IS]

I THINK RELAUNCH IS R.M.HIMSELF!!!!

[Know It All]

More Details,

Comed Schedule Services Ltd, Worsley House, North Road, St Helens, Merseyside, WA10 2BL set up on 24/02/2000.
Comed Maintenance Ltd, 45-498 Berry Street, Liverpool, L1 9DF set up on 13/04/2001.
Comed Flight Training Ltd, Worsley House, Windle Street, St Helens, Merseyside, WA10 2BL set up on 04/05/2001.

Chox Away - The council did not discuss Comed or the Airport, I have seen letters that say they "only deal with general airport policy, not the day to day running of the airport"

Does anybody know if the debenture holders, Windmill Investments Ltd are part of the same company as Windmill Holdings, It's costing me a fortune at £5 a time finding out from companies house!

I also think Relaunch is RM.

[Chox Away]

Perhaps there's hope yet for Comed (if not already 'ReLaunched'). :-)

Seen the posts lately reference Gill Airways. Seems they're the first scheduled airline to come out of administation. Perhaps they should change their name to Pheonix!

Excellent news for their troops, but what about all those other companies that had to write off money owed to them in order for Gill to survive. They too will have mortgages to pay etc etc.


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[Relaunch]

Know it all does not actually know it all,
Comed Aviation limited, Managing Director Mr R Murgatroyd, company secretary N Wild, Comed Flight Training is not in the name of Martindale Kingham this is merly the registered office.

Windmill Investments Limited, also are Windmill Holdings Limited whose registered office is perrigine House Isle Of Man, Mr Whitehead is the front man for these companies who also is mentioned in Know it Alls posting of 28 April.

Here is some intresting news, Mr Whitehead is on the board of Directors of Blackpool Football Club alongside GE Crosby, who also is head of the local council, who is pulling or not as the case may be G Eastwoods strings.

Comed that was would of been running now under administration but Mr Whitehead chose to put the receivers in allowing the administration order to be overruled.

The Figure that Comed has gone for according to Mr M is £600k this was four weeks ticket sales during the summer months, ironic that poor old Rob held it all together during the winter and then on the dawn of spring had the rug pulled from him.

A Law suite against the Airport is being brought, did you know that Eastwood has had three written offers in excess of £250K for the old Comed Building and Comed owned aircraft and the residual intrest in the third party aircraft ! Instead he chooses to be billed at £30..per aircraft per day by Bannerman, what are you thinking of, and what will the tax payers be thinking ?

Windmill sorry Whitehead also had two sidekicks in the Isle Of Man, a one Richard Daley, and a Jamie Jackson, both bank rolled by their rich parents, talks are still ongoing with Whitehead and G E Crosby about a possible Isle Of Man Schedule !

Know it all and The is Relaunch is not RM although I talk with him on a daily basis, nice try keep guessing, by the way fragul where is the B---dy spell checker ?

[Relaunch]

More news peeps
I have been reading back through the postings and would like to add this reply to Tarmach of the 26 Feb and JP5A of the 27 Feb.

Comed employed the whole of the ANT Engineering staff, so ANTs wage bill reduced overnight, Comed also paid £125k for the Hangar & Maintenance facility,This money was paid over with a clause that if the sale did not go through then Comed would forfit £65k as a non refundable deposit.

Whitehead/Windmill stopped the purchase of the ANT empire, allowing Comed to forfit their deposit of £65k.

Thanks to Comed ANT are now enjoying a new lease of life, and even more so with the majority of the former Comed students.

Watch this space, this is just the tip of the iceburg.

Loads more to come !

[Know It All]

I now see why Blackpool Football club has got away with owing the Council £160,000 since 1986!! Considering how Bannerman and ANT seem to have benefited I don't suppose they are on the board at the football club! Come on Relaunch if you have more juicy gossip let us in on it.

[Chox Away]

Go Relaunch Go! - You're on a roll….. (or should that be roller?)

It strikes me that you and Know It All are fighting the same cause here, and are both not letting all the worms out of the can!

If this is just the tip of the iceberg, bring on the Titanic.

Relaunch - You say PW works alongside G E-C at the Tangerines. Is this still so? The reason I ask is, going back to last year, Blackpool Council was to decide on whether to lease land to Blackpool Football Club and help lay the foundations for the biggest and most expensive development in the resort’s history - the new multi-million pound Bloomfield Road Football Stadium.

In a report to councillors, Chief Executive G E-C advised that the land should be rented at an amount less than its market value. The report also acknowledged that the Council was foregoing a possible receipt in the region of £350K or rental equivalent £50K per year. GE-C said that normally the Council was legally required to sell or rent its land on a commercial basis, but in this case special considerations applied.

Surely, G E-C had a conflict of interest if serving on both boards.


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[Know It All]

Ha, I found it as well. Chox away - you forgot to mention this bit! The council proposes to "Authorise the leasehold disposal by the Council of the "Stadium Land" at a peppercorn rent and the freehold disposal of the "Enabling Land" at current use value on the terms outlined. The Council being satisfied that such disposals would promote the economic development of Blackpool with each party to meet their own estates and legal costs." Also in another section it states "It was proposed to dispose of the freehold interest in the "Enabling Land" in the sum of £50,000." This being the land valued at £350,000 I think.
All very interesting! I wonder what the conservatives would make of this?

Anyway, back to Blackpool Airport, I understand four members of the board of directors resigned last year within a few months of each other, anybody know why?

[Chox Away]

Perhaps had a better offer from an 'Investment' Company and are now living it up in the I.O.M.

[ISDABS1]

HOW INTERESTING TO HEAR THE SUBJECT OF COMED RISING AGAIN,IT WAS ONLY GOING TO BE A MATTER OF TIME.
I FOR ONE HAVE ALWAYS HAD THE BELIEF IN RM AND CANT WAIT TO SEE HIM RISE AGAIN. MAYBE I'M PRIVILEDGED IN HAVING HAD SOME CONVERSATIONS WITH THE BOSS AND GENUINELY BELIEVE THAT GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY WOULD LOVE DEARLY TO REPAY CREDITORS AND EMPLOY CERTAIN MEMBERS OF THE LOYAL STAFF AGAIN TO FORM A NEW AND SUCCESFUL BUSINESS.
TO MY POINT I SUGGEST THOSE PEOPLE WHO HAVE GONE ON TO NEW CAREERS JUST GO AND GET A LIFE AND LEAVE RM TO GET ON WITH HIS
ESPECIALLY THOSE WHO ARE SO PROUD OF THEIR EMBRAERS AND 757S AND REALLY FEEL THAT THEIR SPARE TIME NEEDS TO BE TAKEN UP BY STILL HAVING POPS AT A PART OF THEIR HISTORY.
THOSE WHO ARE NOT IN THE KNOW BUT THINK THEY ARE JUST BECAUSE THEY KNOW THAT RM WAS A MILKMAN SHOULD GO AND CALL UP DIFFERENT WEBSITES LIKE FANTASY ISLAND BECAUSE THAT IS THE ONLY PLACE FOR THEM.
FINALLY THE LIKES OF WHAT APPEARS TO BE ALOT OF CORRUPTION IN THE WHOLE DEMISE OF COMED CONCERNING BLK AIRPORT THE COUNCIL AND A NEW OPERATOR,EVEN I CAN SEE THE WHOLE THING STINKS. I LOOK FORWARD TO READING ABOUT THE FUTURE PROCEEDINGS.
TO ALL THOSE GENUINE GUYS AND GALS DONT FORGET TO INVITE ME TO THAT LAUNCH PARTY I'LL BE THERE.

[PYROCLASTIC]

HAH so relaunch has got a new I.D. it would seem!!!

[PYROCLASTIC]

Bannerman was seen today Moving the slingsby into safe dry custody as it was getting wet! he was accomponied by several of his bandits!
He just took it and went! in front of several spectators at A.N.T. has this man no heart or does he just enjoy rubbing salt into the wound... and here we go again, thats another £30-00 per day for storage or safekeeping! who is paying for this? I understand that there are now eight aircraft being stored at the cost of £240-00 per day which is more than most of us actualy earn! huh! talk about greed ! and if you see a man with a pipe he is worse than bannerman and not to be trusted at all as all information is passed directly back to bannerman!

[PYROCLASTIC]

Ok pyro, but as this aircraft was Impounded by G.Eastwood anyway it could well be that mr E. had ordered it to be moved, and so Bannerman was perhaps quite within his rights to do so. anyway I understand that the bottom has dropped out of muckys world today as he was told that he could not have building 28 back and can not opperate a flying school from the half of the hangar he has wormed his way into.

[Relaunch]

Pyro
You appear to be talking to yourself !
Comed Flight Training was issued a Commercial landing contract yesterday by Mr G Eastwood, strange for a Flying school that is not allowed to operate from Blackpool Airport !

Comed is back and growing by the day, one PA28 and one PA32 already operating and available from the Hangar where a temporary office is in operation, time will tell if the Lease is handed back to RM for the former Comed building, or is there a deeper hidden agenda brewing with Gary Bannerman and the local council ?

[batemanisbad4u]

Stand up that man (ISDABS1) very well put, the good news is that R.M. will soon be operational albeit on a smaller scale to start.Having both R.M & Bannerman as customers (& yes I'm still owed by R.M. but thats business) I know who I prefer to do business with, although R.M. is far from perfect he is straight & fair. It speaks volumes for the character of Bannerman when you go as far a field as New Zealand mention you originate from Blackpool & the first words are " is that arsehole B?????n still there".If you talk to Bannerman all you get from him is "been here for 25 years must be doing something right" well, as he found out to his cost recently that is not true! I will leave you to decide about his mentality. They do say in life you get your rewards or otherwise & I'm glad to report that Bannerman is now receiving his, as you are aware SIR all the money in the world can't get you that little piece of signed paper from the AME that you have so activley been chasing the last few months,maybe you should change your handle to Exbannerman. If it helps, I know of a nice little cottage on the North Wales coast, you could watch the planes from your garden.

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[Know It All]

It is not just Batemanisbad4U it is Blackpool Airport "The Friendly Alternative" that may be bad for you, if you let anybody use your aircraft and they owe money, watch out.

Does anybody know how many letters the airport has sent out to the owners of the impounded aircraft? As far as I know the answer is NONE! Anybody know any different?

It is a good job they are a friendly lot!

[Chox Away]

Know It All - As yet, I've not heard a dickie bird from the Airport.

Don't they have so many days in which they should act?

Any offers?



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Regards-
Chox

[PYROCLASTIC]

yeh ok,so someone somewhere gave someone the wrong title! but at least if you talk to yourself you know where you are coming from,I suppose.

Should bateman not be "SON OF BATE"or do you not know him that well?

Do you honestly think that a simple matter of a medical would would slow this man down,

I know for a fact that he has a clean bill of health as far as the F.A.A. are concerned as do many many more of us.

the C.A.A. are running scared since someone who shall remain nameless flew into the ground after performing the dirty dive!!!

I wonder where Mucky has got the Aircraft from, and how soon will Bannerman be wheeling those off too!!!

I understand that he would not like to have a chipmunk even given to him for nowt!!!
but the P.A.32 may come in handy for NOWT!

gentlemen, you are dealing with a RUTHLESS
B****** regards to you all.

[batemanisbad4u]

Pyro how true your last sentence reads, we are indeed dealing with ....well your description is perfect. Yes I do know about the FAA route he has taken but as I think you are aware the 3 men in white coats from Gatwick are not that far away. As for the son, well yes do know him as well more's the pity & is a chip of the old block, you would have to travel a long way to meet a more ignorant ill mannered bastard (I blame the genes), just ask anyone at Warton for confirmation

[lee1]

If RM is restarting at BPL does this mean
I will get my money back or the flying hours I paid for. If RM does start up again and doesn't pay people back he won't last 5 mins.
If he is not going to pay anyone back then he doesn't even deserve to be a milkman.

[PURPLE PITOT]

So what is actually happening up in sunny BPL?
Anyone know the facts?

[Oily-Bird]

Can we just hang on here a minute! I was flying from Blackpool today and discovered that Mr M has re-opened a flying school - with 2 aircraft I believe. How can this be allowed to happen.

I also understand that RM is driving a 7 series BMW, and his wife a flashy 4x4. Meanwhile, many people have lost serious amounts of money - be they ex-staff, passengers or students - as a result of his failings. I only hope that his ex-employees all see sense and none of them, or students for that matter, are tempted to return.

As for the comments about Bannerman - do I detect bags of envy/jealousy directed at someone who has run a successful aviation business for many many years? (and no, I am NOT connected with him).


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[batemanisbad4u]

Excellent news Oily-Bird :) R.M. is back in business just like I said he would (u-can't keep a good un down for long). Can't wait to get back on his books, & as soon as he has the routes back I will be banging on his door hard. :) Your comments about bannereman only go to show how little you know about the goings on on the corner so maybe you should do a little research.

[Oily-Bird]

OK Batemanisbad4u - save me some time doing the research, what has Bannerman allegedly done? To an outsider he seems like a businessman with his head screwed on surviving in a difficult environment.

Incidentally, who is Bateman???

[Know It All]

I have a good Idea, all the members of the old Comed who had money in credit accounts get free membership to the new Comed and free flying to the value of their accounts. Murgy then gets the privately owned aircraft released so all he has to do is pay his creditors and everyone, well almost everyone will be happy.
How about it relaunch? sorry I mean Robert.

[drop bags bar]

Just wondering how the "new" opr. flying the Jetstream 31s are doing? What are the loads like? You think they're gonna be around for awhile?

[Knight Rider]

Platinum Air, lets see, no CRS presence, only one phone number in BLK somewhere to book, *hit advertising etc etc etc

Loads are Crap (note the capital 'C'), they may be doing reasonably ok from BLK to BHD (not sure) but why they bother dropping in to Fraggle Rock - I'll never know. Perhaps the courier bag that's coming off every day is a money laundering scam ???

Or more realistically the IOM Government will be giving them cheap or free landing fees in order they can screw up the viability of the other Islands air routes (again) - The Farmers and Post Office workers who run this Govt will never learn !

Would be interested to find out how well their London shuttle is doing ?!?

Rats !

[batemanisbad4u]

Oily-Bird, re the name one has to watch the libel lawyers here, would have thought that was obvious,one has to be politcally correct in this game.

[Captain Mainwaring]

Oily Bird
RM is allowed to start again because he has not been banned from acting as a Director of an English limited company, even then i'm sure he could get another 'name'to act as Director but still be in charge as a General Manager.
The law of limiting one's liability to the debts of the company should make prospective creditors beware and pay for publically available accounts but it seems to make them feel secure and jump in head first! Only if he gave personal guarantees will he be dipping into his own pocket.
The same goings-on happened at SECOAT at Manston in 1997 only the sums lost by wannabees were truly collossal.
I have no comments either way regarding RM but it needs a risk-taker to setup and offer these services but their enthusiasm may outreach their business ability. If not for the RM's of this world (love them or hate them) for wannabees it is Hobsons' choice of not giving up the day job unless you have the odd two years spare and £70,000 plus living expenses if you are to realise the dream.

[Ella]

Could someone tell me what the fate of the Chipmunk is? I am missing turning the world upside down and would be happy to rent from the owner direct if it is ever released from impound.

John Hunter is saying that a replacement should be on line soon, but I would appreciate knowing the 'Chipmunk latest' from anyone in the know!

Thanks.

[Know It All]

Ella - Try ringing XXXXXXXXXX during working hours, they have something to do with the Chipmunk and maybe one of the PA23's. Or you could ask Murgy on the new Comed number which is XXXXXXXX.

Anybody going to the creditors meeting tomorrow at Preston?

Please do not publish telephone numbers on PPRuNe, maybe innocuous, but a blanket rule is safer for PPPRuNe


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[jabberwok]

One of the aircraft RM seems to have got hold of is a PA28, ex Woodgate at Belfast. Leased?

[atprider]

Is that PA28 G - KH ?

[wassuupp]

Yep it is G-KH. Well what can I say RM back on his feet not that he was ever off them doing what all excellent business men do and thats getting back into it without placing there head in the sand. From all the info i have on the situation trust me watch this space.. Go on RM show them all what your'e made of, and get back up there as the top flight training school in the country. GOOD LUCK RM. Oh buy the way those who have stabbed ya in the back just remember what comes around goes around twice as hard.

[batemanisbad4u]

Go on Robert my son, show that man round the corner what you are made of, beer or three next week I think......Bloody well done :) :) :)

[lee1]

Wassuupp, with regards to your message, I lost a lot of money when the old Comed(very clever) went bust so I don't know what you are so happy about. Great RM has started up again and I like to see people do well but the fact remains he lost people a lot of money. Have you ever thought of sparing a couple of moments to wonder what happens to the so called little people who just wanted to fly and recieved this crap for their trouble. I take it your not going to be funding my nights out down the pub are you. OH i forgot, you are obviously a person full of money and something else(won't go into that) that you don't care but I'd love to meet you down at Blackpool Airport and tell you what I really think. As the saying goes, what goes around, comes around.
Try using your brain and think of the bigger picture.

[wassuupp]

Lee 22 first of all let me tell ya a few things about me im nearest dam the same age as ya and prob earn the same money as ya.AND GUESS WHAT!!!!!! I lost money at comed to (shocking but true)... The difference between me and you is i can put things into perspective, yes i am peeed off i lost money just like you and you have every right to be. I respect (RM) because he is not burrying his head in the sand, hes getting on with it and will credit something like 50% of your old account when you start flying, u already no that.Trust me when companies fold any money u may have invested or had on account goes you get nothing well unless your an official creditor. Give (RM)credit for what he is doing. AS FOR SAYING IM SOMETHING ELSE OBVIOUSLY TRYING TO SAY FULL OF CRAP well the answer is no. I just accept whats happened and get on with it, carry on flying and enjoy it. As for mtg me in BPL no probs cya at the hangar sometime and go for a drink. To bottom line it buddy I no its annoying but lifes a bitch!!!!!! cya soon