Mosque Induced Fatigue Issues.

[Marooned]

I realize in advance that this is a sensitive subject but I want to know if it is normal practice to use the external PA systems on mosques to broadcast the Imam's sermon as well as the call to prayer.

I understand that the initial call to prayer is broadcast but I have not noticed other mosques then continue to broadcast the whole sermon. Perhaps it is particular to Ramadan but any information would help.

Our compound and several in the vicinity have 30-60 minute sermons at 9:30 pm and at 5 am which disturb all our rest.

I have been here over 7 years and have never had a problem with this until a new mosque was built next to us recently, the house insulation is useless to prevent this disrupting sleep patterns from its sound system.

Is there anyway of finding our what is normal practice, acceptable sound levels and if it is possible to complain?

Seriously, any constructive advice greatly appreciated.

[Mister Warning]

If you are fatigued you do not go to work - the cause of the fatigue is irrelevant.
Period.

[speedtwoten]

leave the country if you dont like it I realize in advance that this is a sensitive subject

[Sheikh Your Bootie]

Dial 2 Habib!

[casio man]

dial 2 for the next 20 odd days!

[Desert Diner]

Use ear plugs until you get used to it.

[Al Fakhem]

Mosques should not employ Imams or Mullahs who have weak voices. Period.

[yellow cab]

sir you got this right it is very a sensitive issue
1 the prayer is like this in the holy month of ramdan.
2 in other monthes it is in out side speakers in 3 times only fajr, maghreb and ishha.
3 in ramdan above is true in addition to salat alkiaam . starts after ishha prayer and lasts for 1 hour.
4 salat altahajod in the last ten days of the holy month starts on 0100am or it varries between diffrent masjed but mostly around this time and lasta also for 1 or 1 and half hours.
i hope i answered your questions about is it normal.
safe flights

[kingoftheslipstream]

aquaint yourself with the concept of the dhimmie in Islam...

and no matter what the cause is, don't fly fatigued!

Happy contrails
k-o-t-s

[Noahs Arc]

use double glaze windows or if you cannot join them you might have a different attitude to this issue

[Marooned]

Thanks Yellow Cab that's what I was wanting to find out.

Safe flying to you too.

[Al Fakhem]

The question that has not been answered is why it is necessary to broadcast the prayers by PA systems. Surely, this has nothing to do with tradition and thus cannot be justified.

[sispanys ria]

Surely, this has nothing to do with tradition and thus cannot be justified

Usually it's the tradition that doesn't need to be justified... since it's a tradition, it applies. The purpose of prayer call is to be heard, it's been like that for centuries, nothing new. Now they use PA since it's more difficult to reach you with all the surrounding noise and house isolation. Bells are ringing every 30 mins in the church 15 mins from my european house. I never had any pb to fly because of that.

[FlyingCroc]

are indeed a nuissance, and in most European countries there are restrictions put on it on request of the citizens. Most churches only ring twice a day in congested aereas or they do not ring at all at night.
Yes the tradition was to tell the people the time since in the old times people did not have watches. Nowadays this tradition is obsolete.

The same goes for these annoying prayers at 4am, why can these people just set their clocks for sunrise if they wish do pray? :ugh:

[BladePilot]

I believe there have been 'attempts' to control the use of speaker systems in the UAE nothing more than stipulating a maximum volume permitted, failed miserably!

I've heard lots of interesting stories about the introduction of speakers including one told to me by an old local in Fujairah who would have you believe that the speakers were introduced because a local Sheikh complained that when the Imam climbed the minaret he could see down into the Sheikh's compound and therefore was able to see his wife(s) going about their daily business without the cover of the hijab. an invasion of privacy then was the catalyst for the introduction of pop concert style speaker systems!

A friend of mine who may not last that much longer in the region tends to fight fire with fire and has been known occasionally to set up his sony music centre speakers outside and play his favourite Peters&Lee classics! certainly not a practice which I would condone! can't believe he hasn't been deported yet!

What about the poor flyer who lives in the quaint English village with the medieval Church which rings it's bells with such vigor and not forgetting those towns and villages which seem to think that everyone needs to be reminded what time of the day it is every fifteen minutes of the day! my thoughts go out to those poor folk who live within earshot of such a nuisance.

[FlyingCroc]

Finally the climate gets better, time to bbq, sit outside, some fresh air and turning the ac's off. And then at 4am the blaring, again 30min later, not only once, no at least 10 different ones over and over again.
I guess your friend had it, I guess one of the two bucket is now full enough
, I hope it is the one with the $ :E

[White Knight]

Bladepilot - having lived next door to the bells of Worcester Cathedral for many years I'll take the bells over the mullah any day. Nor do I recall the bells ringing at 9pm for AN HOUR, nor at 4:30AM...
Apparently Marooned, 6 extra speakers on this particular mosque at the moment:ugh: I really think it's a finger up at us after some of us asked the mullah to turn the volume down:rolleyes:

[Marooned]

WK: I think you're right, the so called double glazing is no match for the extra decibels and you can't use ear plugs if you have small kids to listen out for... my wife and I just take turns with them so at least one of us gets some sleep. :ugh:

[Flygulfair]

OK.

You live in a Islamic country and you should really get use to it, Do you really think you can complain about something religious?

Thats like saying i can complain to the BBC because on Christmas they only put chorals shows, but i respect that Or complain to the churches because of them bells, Its religion and no one should discuss a matter like this PERIOD dont like it? Find a job in another country that is not islamic, PROBLEM SOLVED!

Its a very religious month for muslims and you should truly respect that.
:ugh:

Some comments are so :mad: useless, MOVE or respect the religion Never in my :mad: life have i took the piss or not respected a religion.

Dont like it? Dont work for people that have that religion or live in the country.

Just respect that religion, just because your not that faith does not mean that they should turn the speakers off for you, Just get use to it!

Marooned your questions are perfectly normal,I hope you got your answers off someone else, now close the thread before it turns NASTY! :=

[intaomri]

You can approach the mosque ( moa'then ) and request them to turn the speakers' volume down a little , and I am sure they will do it . Officially they should not switch the external speakers on, only entrnal but some IMAMS get carried away .
( moa'then: the person who makes the call to prayers on the pa.)
Happy ramadan.

[Flygulfair]

intaomri Really?

Yes i am sure they will turn the volume down if you ask nicely. but if you threaten then or be rude expect it to go WAY UP!

[nolimitholdem]

flygulfair,

The BBC/church bells are idiotic comparisons to the call to prayer. You can turn the BBC off, and they don't play carols non-stop for a month every nine or ten months, and then all day, every day the rest of the year. And as pointed out, they don't ring the church bells at 4am for an hour.

You go on a rant about respect, but that is exactly all someone trying to get some sleep is asking for. I hate it when people wrap themself in the "religion" blanket, it's almost as bad as the "race card". No one is trying to curtail the blessed religion, just be allowed to have one of the more basic human needs - so they must be a bigot! Typical...expecting respect and courtesy, but never willing to extend any. Hence I subscribe to a more guerrilla approach, a little AC/DC "Highway to Hell" on some very powerful speakers. Worked well so far and surprisingly satisfying! :ok:

[White Knight]

Flygulfair

Noloimit's summed it up quite well..... You demand respect but don't give it! I keep being told we're all 'guests' in the UAE - well, fine but if I had guests in my house I wouldn't keep them awake all night and then expect them to work for me (helping my personal economy and all that) when they haven't been able to sleep...

TWO WAY STREET....... Does that mean anything to you?

Oh yes flygulfair - when you're in my country please respect my religion and don't DEMAND that sharia law should be implemented there:mad: as some of you chaps are wont to do.

[FlyingCroc]

You can see why most people get tired of this place. Take sh.. or leave it, thats the general attitude here. And yes there is the time when one of the two buckets gets too full and it is time to leave :yuk: :yuk: :yuk:

[320 star]

Do you feel fatigued because of A/C noise,:ugh: have you asked the airport to stop the A/C flying,:confused: I find it more disturbing but you eventually adapt.:ok:

[Farrell]

I like Ramadan, and while I understand the pressures of give and take, and the chances of nerves getting ever so slightly frayed, I feel that if you chose to come and work in the Middle East, then you have to take the rough with the smooth - albeit losing sleep during the call to prayer in the morning.

There is a mosque right beside my house. They built it last year with donations from the local community and from generous contributions from some people outside of it.

Having lived beside airports, train stations and a port (try a fog horn at 4am - it makes the call sound like a lullaby!), I get used to the noises quite quickly and now I don't even hear the calls at night. I am lucky I guess.

But seriously...this is the Middle East and Ramadan has been going on for far longer than you or I have even known about the region.
We choose to come here, we get paid fairly well, and yes, we take a lot of crap and "disrespect" but it's only for a month - and it is their religion.

While I am on the subject, I hear too much BS comments about the locals being hypocrites in relation to their religion. Complaints about locals drinking in bars and chatting up women.
These comments hold no water - it is the same everywhere - check out any religion in Europe or the UK.
Excess drinking is not condoned, and if memory serves me right, all good little children of God should be fasting on a Friday. In fact, my grandmother used to fast on Wednesday and Friday - Lord rest her soul.
There are the devout in all religions: Islam and Christianity included. If you have as much as looked sideways at the perfectly formed backside of the CSD on a flight and drooled, while your wife is at home with the kids, then you are just as guilty as anyone else.

So, while I have all the sympathy in the world for those of you who get woken up by the call, you have to realise that you chose to come here, and if you didn't research it fully then that's your lookout. As the Aussie government guy said a few years ago "You have options."

Works both ways.

(Helmet and body armour on)

[Hook]

There are the devout in all religions: Islam and Christianity included. If you have as much as looked sideways at the perfectly formed backside of the CSD on a flight and drooled, while your wife is at home with the kids, then you are just as guilty as anyone else.


We have a CSD with a perfectly formed backside? Who's that?:}

[White Knight]

320 star - if you buy a house near an airport you expect aircraft noise... If you live in a house for 4 years and a mosque is built right next to it then that is a different thing. Especially as the volume of this particular mosque is several times louder than the one down the road (that's been there for several years......) And you'll find that in Europe, North America, Oz etc there are RESTRICTIONS at many airports during the night when residents are trying to SLEEP...

Farrell - it's not a quick two minute call to prayer but an entire sermon that's sounds as if the mullah's in your bedroom with you at 05:30.. Nor is it moaning about the religion because I know several muslims living near us who ALSO COMPLAIN VEHEMENTLY about the noise. In fact, some of our muslim MANAGEMENT have approached said mullah and requested (nicely) that the volume be lowered but to no avail.... So no - it's not just us western 'kfirs' complaing:ugh::ugh:

Also Farrell, fasting on Friday was an 'old testament' requirement. That's why pork meat is also perfectly acceptable AD.... As for the complaints about locals in bars picking up hookers and enjoying pints.. They are supposed to have NO BOOZE, which is different from Christianity which says not to get drunk....

Have a nice rest:ouch:

[EGGW]

Right guys, i wondered how long it would take for the mouth foaming individuals to come out. Not seen them just yet, but a few are sailing close to the wind.

Please keep on topic, or posts get binned and/or the thread closed

You have been warned

EGGW

[Farrell]

an entire sermon that's sounds as if the mullah's in your bedroom

LOL Classic!

Seriously, I know the mosques you are talking about mate.
It appears that some imams go off the rails sometimes.

Even if they did agree to change the whole process, it will take years.

[MAXMEDLO]

It really makes me wonder if all you chaps are that good in expressing your lovely thought of the culture-you choose to live in voluntarily -aloud or to muslim colleges, what a load of hypocrites:yuk::yuk::yuk:

I bet my stripes that non of you has the courage to even hint such a thing in a public argument out of fear that you might loose your job, but hey,if your not enjoying the job, culture, religon, weather, driving, salary, arabs and so on , why the f%*k are you still here?????

I’ll tell you why, because no other place will accept you, so either put up or shut the f&#k up.

p.s. Farrell, that was stated nicely and fairly, cheers mate.:ok:

And oh, BRING IT ON

MAX

[Desert Diner]

We all chose to live here (warts and all).

That includes the traffic, the shop closures, the noise from the minirates.

When we get tired of it, we leave.

Sounds like someone needs to start looking for greener fields.

Complaining about the religion of the country you choose to work in sounds a bit :rolleyes:

Ramadan Kareem to all