IMC priveledges with multi-crew IR ?

[FatFlyer]

Hi,
Can anyone tell me if you still get IMC rating rights on a light aircraft (PA28) if you have only a current multi crew intrument rating (eg 737) or has this perk now disappeared?
Tried to look it up on CAA site but could not find it so would be grateful for a reference.
many Thanks
FF

[Curtis E Carr]

Looking at LASORS (http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/33/LASORS2008%20(Bookmarked).pdf), the answer would seem to depend upon whether your licence is a UK national or one issued under JAR.

For a UK licence, LASORS (Section E page 14) states:

UK National Professional Aeroplane Licence Holders

IMC Rating privileges are contained within UK CPL(A) and ATPL(A) licences therefore providing the licence remains valid there is no requirement for a separate IMC Certificate of Test

However, for a JAR licence, page 15 goes on to say:

JAR-FCL Professional Aeroplane Licence Holders
................................

JAR-FCL CPL(A) or ATPL(A) holder with valid Multi-Pilot IR(A) only

The holder of a JAR-FCL professional aeroplane licence with a valid multi-pilot IR(A) only is not automatically entitled to fly using the privileges of an IMC Rating in single-pilot aeroplanes. They will be required to pass an IMC Flight Test and apply to PLD for a separate IMC Rating endorsement.

Hope this helps.

[A Very Civil Pilot]

Adding to this, I renewed my IMC via flight test and it is now current on my JAR ATPL. My old CAA CPL expired about 4 years ago.

I asked the CAA if it is possible to hold two licences at the same time, to which the answer is yes, so I intend to renew ny CAA CPL with embedded IMC and hold it along side my JAR ATPL, hence no need to renew the IMC.

[scherzo]

UK licences and embedded or added IMC ratings are fine until EASA take them away from us in 2012....

a case for opting out of EASA (just like we opted out of the euro) and simply remain an independent ICAO state

[FatFlyer]

Thanks for the info, I need to buy a copy of LASORS, with a UK JAR ATPL which includes a national IMC, I assume this remains valid, though still not 100% clear.
Thanks for the help.

[OpenCirrus619]

I need to buy a copy of LASORS

No need to pay good money for LASORS. The CAA provide it for free :ok: at:
http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/33/LASORS2008%20(Bookmarked).pdf

OC619

[BEagle]

When my JAA ATPL was issued in the early days of JAA the IMC was endorsed on it so since I have kept my MP IR current I have SEP IMC privileges as with a national licence.

Well, whoever told you that is some years out of date. A JAR-FCL ATPL(A) no longer confers any IMC privileges apart from initial issue. When you obtain a MP IR, you can also include an IMCR provided that you ask the CAA to include it. However, subsequent revalidation requires an IMC Flight Test!

The CAA changed the rules without any consultation. But those with old-style UK licences have lifetime IMC privileges as long as they have a valid CPL........no matter when they last flew a light aeroplane!

2 pilots in a typical people-tube. LHS captain last flew a Cherokee at Hamble in about 1890; he has a CAA ATPL so if he has a valid SEP Class Rating he can lawfully blunder about in IMC in a hired spamcan. RHS co-piglet finished Oxford 26 months ago, has a JAR-FCL CPL(A) with ATPL knowledge but isn't allowed to fly a puddlejumper in IMC until he completes an IMCR revalidation flight test......

Crazy - but that's the way of the CAA!

[A Very Civil Pilot]

Muppet

Aren't you confusing the IMC renewal with ability to get your SEP IR revalidated at the same time as your MEP LPC (with evidence of having done 3 SEP instrument apporoaches)?

[A Very Civil Pilot]

Muppet

On a JAR ATPL, you IMC will be on section XII (page 4), with the title 'ratings to be revalidated'. Your rating validity page will need to have an IMC entry signed by your FE. If not your rating is not current.

I think that with your CAA license, the IMC expired when your license did, and not 25 mon ths later.

[A Very Civil Pilot]

Muppet

See post 3. I intend to renew my CAA license (for £123) giving me 5 years of IMC priveliges, and no need to revalidate during that time. Cheaper than 1 hour in a C152 and examiner fee.