Netjets Interview In Paris - Need Help!!! [Archive]

Morton Harket

5th August 2007, 03:22

B-767

5th August 2007, 07:30

Are we going to start all over again, hopefully not..............
All that there is to be said has been said.........
So start reading and if you fit the profile and are good enough you will make it, otherwise....no harm done.....there is lots of other jobs out there..

B-767

Smeagel

5th August 2007, 09:07

So start readingAwwwww, go easy. He said he'd searched.

if you fit the profile and are good enough you will make it, otherwise....no harm done.....there is lots of other jobs out there.. Too true. Lots of jobs where you won't have to worry about the tax man accusing you of not having paid him even though the company gave some of your hard earned lucre to the Inland Revenue in the UK or Portugal or wherever is the favoured spot this month.

CL300

5th August 2007, 12:38

Hi fellow Collegues!

(already used the "search"-function)
I've got an invitation for the Netjets interview/simride in Paris in September. Therefore desperately I'd like to request you to give me some help with a feedback of the most recent interviews and simrides happened.

This is Highly sensitive material, do not distribute

It would be very helpful to receive information about:

-Questions asked in personal interview with the board

surname, age , weight and sexual inclination ( no more than 45°)

-Sequence of testing/interviewing and times

0600Z briefing , 0630Z Scramble , 0700Z Mission over

-General behaviour of the interviewers

Do not listen to them and answer in your mother tongue ALWAYS !

-Technical questions asked

JAR OPS 1 by chapter and verse, and of course backward, nothing really difficult

-Details about the English language quiz?

No more quizzes ! You just have to memorize the TIMES of last year and do a resume in less than 10 words.

-Tips for the sim EMB 145 (Profiles, speeds, handling, SID, A/P etc.)

Full power on take Off, blue side up (even with an engine fire) on an AMOGA 5J, to maintain FL60 +/- 3000 ft (SOPs) Speed between VRef-20 and VMO+50

Any report or tip is highly appreciated and welcome.
For those which like to mail more directly instead of posting within this forum:

The email is directly to training at Netjets, they will be delightfull to answer.

Thank you all for your efforts

No worries...Read the thread, I love to help but there is limits ! Do you need a spoon or you are bringing your own ?

Morton Harket

5th August 2007, 16:28

O.k. guys, i see. Is this the way you usually treat your colleagues when they ask you for some help? Very strange.

I only asked for some info concerning RECENT news from the assessments of the last days. That there are already old info on this forum is well known.

I would highly recommend, that those shut up which only have the goal to prove their bad attitude here. You better go back to your sandbox and keep on playing.

To all the others: Thank you!!

CL300

5th August 2007, 16:35

http://www.pprune.org/forums/showpost.php?p=3386433&postcount=955

You didn't search too hard did you ?

With YOUR attitude you will have problems, I'm actually helping you sooo much that you will only realize aftermath...

Do not thank me yet..

31st of July info are not fresh enough ? Study my friend and sharpen your sense of humour as well as your pencils...

redsnail

5th August 2007, 16:40

What's currently happening in the interviews hasn't changed a great deal over the past year or so.

The folks interviewing you are all pretty good guys and gals. There's no trickery as such. Review the technical stuff such as general Perf A (or ATPL perf) and the like. You should know your own aircraft too, you may be asked about it.

Think about what makes Netjets different versus the airlines and how you can fit in.

You'll definitely need a sense of humour and a fondness for changes to schedules. :)

If you're not a native English speaker, your English language skills will be assessed.

I flew the sim in March. It's not hard to fly. You're not expected to fly the Embraer 145 like a genius but you're expected to be able to follow an SID and not bust altitudes. Good CRM is also expected.

Netjets crews are expected to be flexible and to not be too fixed on a set schedule. If the assessors feel your answers are too planned then you may not be successful.

Morton Harket

5th August 2007, 16:47

@CL300:
You've talked such a heap of nonsens now and we all have laughed very well about. But it's enough now kid...

Morton Harket

5th August 2007, 16:51

Thanks redsnail, such information is very helpful.

CL300

5th August 2007, 17:14

Waiting for you on the line then.....:E

But today, I feel cool :eek:

Can you read in between the lines ? hmmmmm may be....If able, try to translate my answers, but Captain Reddo is soooooo sweet that she outlined the answers for you...

There is two sides on a coin, normally these are differents, I love to be a little cryptic, because people do not reveal themselves when they are spoonfed..

September Interviews in Paris... May be I should ask to do a couple of days..:p..; no no I won't ask LoL

aufwierdersen mein freund !:hmm:

Morton Harket

5th August 2007, 19:31

If someone really reads in between your lines of this last BS you wrote: Your self-confidence seems to be on a very low level. Or is it an obsession? I think you won't survive much longer with that problem.

Smeagel

5th August 2007, 21:36

Morton. Seriously, do you want to go and work with people like this?

Being German means you got off lightly. If you were a Brit CL300 would have been really unpleasant.

norwegian pilot

6th August 2007, 00:04

:Dhahahaha- to many wankers here !

two written tests:
1.) English language understaning. Read a coloumn and mark multiple choise statements about the coloumn you just read.
2.) Tech test. pressure alt and such...

They use different tests so no way of saying what you get. Just be on top of your game and knowlege.

personal interview:
Nicest ppl youll prolly meet during an interview. Very professional! JAR OPS !!!! some instrument flying stuff + standard stuff like why you and why NJE.

simride:
dont rely on PNF. Hes there to set you up.

Just be your self, if you have what it takes your in, if not, well Monty....

good luck

CL300

6th August 2007, 06:32

Morton. Seriously, do you want to go and work with people like this?

Being German means you got off lightly. If you were a Brit CL300 would have been really unpleasant.

I'm working on it... But it is very hard to be unpleasant with everyone...It is a full time job !! :suspect:

One good thing , he is not going to work with me , at least for the next 5 years...So he has a lot of good time ahead, and by then... who knows ? :hmm: :)

Hey Smeagel , how is life otherwise ? good ? You are not patronising these indocs yes ? On the bright side, the package is improving EVERYDAY..:cool:

Morton thing..

enjoy the ride, but truly , my lines will help you one day.... If you make it :confused:

airmen

6th August 2007, 08:42

CL300 is maybe German but he cant write correctly...or is he ...sh

CL300

6th August 2007, 08:56

I'm not german , I'm coming from a very SouthEast Corner....

Mistakes from people which English is not their mother tongue is acceptable ( IMHO), as long as it is readable and understandable; else please....Enjoy your days off...

Scroll Lock

6th August 2007, 10:04

Far from condoning CL300's reply and subsequent ranting....
however...I and I'm sure many others ( including Smeagal ) didn't have any "help" when I did my interview.
PPrune is great fun, a good laugh and piss-take most of the time. There are also lots of serious and important topics discussed here.

BUT...giving away all the answers to lazy people who obviously can't be bothered to try themselves is one reason as to why our indocs of new hires are continuing to dish out lower standards of applicants and acceptees.

This is in no way aimed at anybody in particular, it is a general statement which is also the feeling of alot of Training dept personnel.

I do wish you luck, Her Morten..but I also wish you would do it by yourself.
Much more gratifying that way. !!

His dudeness

6th August 2007, 15:20

Its not legal anymore, Major, to kill the germans. And don´t mention the war. I did it once but think I got away with it !

Smeagel

6th August 2007, 18:16

Hey Smeagel , how is life otherwise ? good ? You are not patronising these indocs yes ? No mate, they won't let me in. I keep applying but they don't want me back:E

On the bright side, the package is improving EVERYDAY.. Oh really? So the troops based in France, Germany, Scandinavia etc finally accepted that they will be paying 60-90% tax? Well I never. Netjets must be such a truly wonderful place to work that the crew are happy paying tax in two countries. I wish I had a job like that :(

I hope things DO improve. After all the !!!! people have put up with there over the years they deserve something better. The flying's good though. So much so even the bosses are finally having a go. Shame they'll be sheltered from a 'real' NJE day out, eh?

FourGreenNoRed

6th August 2007, 22:06

Hey MH, check your PM, (no INFO for Paris . . .). BTW, we lost appr.one crewmember per week so far this year, couple of ´em retired, some went to the legacies, some got laid-off, a few continued on the other side where the grass is greener, some could not cope with the flying challenges. And so on. Its a free world isnt it? The Pension-Plan seems to develop, no details so yet, a SOF is looking from the top to cut the BS, a LOL seems to be visible down the road... This does not mean, that NTA is perfect. Check your personal needs and situation and then pick your battle.

CL300

7th August 2007, 05:58

Oh really? So the troops based in France, Germany, Scandinavia etc finally accepted that they will be paying 60-90% tax? Well I never. Netjets must be such a truly wonderful place to work that the crew are happy paying tax in two countries. I wish I had a job like that

I hope things DO improve. After all the !!!! people have put up with there over the years they deserve something better. The flying's good though. So much so even the bosses are finally having a go. Shame they'll be sheltered from a 'real' NJE day out, eh?

No they did not accept, you know french and money it is like our wine and cheese (do not touch it).

The problems will surface in April next year, when nothing would match, ( End of UK fiscal year, god knows status in Portugal, and 2 months late for the french authorities), THEN we will see interesting times. HOWEVER, the company is working on solving the issues that it faces today; there is a strong heritage to deal with, and it has to start from one end.

I have to say, that the normal day is easier nowadays than 4 years ago, and having a 'go' outside would not show them the amount of pressure when things get chaotic a little :cool: .

Some people are leaving on these grounds, where others are waiting for the outcome, anyway, it is the only place on 6/5 with choice of base and fixed roster; as long as this outweight everything else, NetJets Staff Management is in good shape...:}

Flintstone

7th August 2007, 08:53

it is the only place on 6/5 with choice of base and fixed roster

Perhaps in France but not elsewhere. There are quite a few places that offer the same if not better. The market is good.

falconbis

8th August 2007, 01:26

True, and you don t live anywhere in Europe anymore there is only a few gateways now, you cannot live in greece or scandinavia anymore , they open edinbourough and airports in scotland closer to RAF airbases to target those guys and in Poland or tchek republic i flew with our first Lituanien FO and he is very very happy about the contract so it seems that netjets is going East to fill the empty seats.

bizantin

8th August 2007, 14:14

...lituanian?! good. but let's try chinese instead. They will be even more happy with a 30 ON/1 OFF contract and for less than half the price of a lituanian and paid in dollar.
Youhou, what a great outlook.
Men, sorry but I could not wait to see that.
Always remember 1thing with netjets: if things improve, it might not last for long. You are happy with the 6/5, fine ...but I already had it in my contract when I joined more than 3years ago!

Netjets is good to get experience but avoid long term, you would be disappointed.
biz

Smeagel

8th August 2007, 18:06

let's try chinese instead...................Youhou Is that Captain Youhou or First Officer Youhou?:eek:

Always remember 1thing with netjets: if things improve, it might not last for long. You are happy with the 6/5, fine ...but I already had it in my contract when I joined more than 3years ago!

As you might imagine falconbiz I've spent an hour or two wondering how and why the company behave like this and I realised the best way to understand is to put myself in their shoes. So, here I am (theoretically) running the place, ok? I'm in charge.:E

Unfortunately I have a few problems. A few years ago for example I had to stop losing money so I thought I would make the crew work harder. Change their roster from the contracted 6/5 and have them work more days a month. Sure, they'll bitch and I'll lose a couple but the net result will be more flying hours per crewmember and that will offset the cost of replacing those who resign. I forced the new arrangement on them, after all there was nothing they could do as their contracts were worthless, and got away with it for a few years. Certainly long enough to recoup the extra training costs but after a while they began bitching that I was flogging them too hard.

So I gave them back their 6/5 and looked for another way to squeeze them. Now fortunately my crew are scattered across Europe which, despite what the EU would have you believe, is a fractured mess. I've been using this to my advantage for a few years so why not do it again? I'm going to have to give them something but I'm damned if I will do it until I have to so I'll pay a fancy consultancy to come in and conduct a survey. I doubt I'll pay much attention to what they tell me because I already know what my crew want and I'm ignoring them already but I shall make sure they drag the process out to buy me a few more months. During that time the experienced crew can train up the new hires (I'll need to ramp up the recruitment process) so that when people catch on to what I'm up to and resign I'll have enough crew to take up the slack.

That worked, and I'm now ready for the next stage. These annoying people want me to make their employment legitimate, tax and pensions sort of thing. Now this is a biggie, if I get this wrong I could lose a lot of crew so here's what I'll do. I'll fabricate something like a tri-lateral agreement and impose ANOTHER new contract. It won't hold up under scrutiny but it doesn't really have to because what I'm again is casting my bait and judging the response. I shall give it a nice long lead in time with a deadline of, say, December. I will carefully watch the rate of resignations and if the buggers start to become organised and set up a union I will have to do something else. In the meantime though it's buying me time and saving me lots of money.

All purely theoretical of course and any resemblance to actual events is entirely coincidental:O

norwegian pilot

8th August 2007, 21:50

not correct. Can live in Scandinavia. no problemo

Flintstone

8th August 2007, 23:16

not correct. Can live in Scandinavia. no problemo

Just curious, what's the income tax situation there? Do they accept the 'tri-lateral agreement' referred to above?

bizantin

9th August 2007, 13:08

NO NO flinstone, Norwegian is right, with netjets you can live wherever you want...but if you want to live in scandinavia you will make as much money as a part time waitress in a bar. Although customers will be allowed to give her a tip.
Netjets is great they leave you the choice!...What do you prefer the rope or the gun for your suicide?

Flintstone

9th August 2007, 14:42

in scandinavia you will make as much money as a part time waitress in a bar. Although customers will be allowed to give her a tip.

:O

You know, that always bugged me (that and about a hundred other things). The owners being told not to tip us. What the hell is all that about?

In six years with Netjets I think I got about eight tips. Nowadays though it's different:ok: The drinks are on me!!!

I'm sorry, was that in poor taste?:E

falconbis

9th August 2007, 15:31

Sorry but on the list of gateways there is no more Helsinki, oslo, gotenborg only Copenhagen survived, Athens used to be a gateway its not anymore, so don t said anywhere when only 20 gateways are open in Europe, try to live in valencia or florence .....but Prague is ok...

Flintstone

9th August 2007, 15:57

.....but Prague is ok...

I hear Beijing will be too :p

bizantin

10th August 2007, 14:28

This is one of the main argument I had when I left. You can not play with someone who keep changing the rules as the game goes.
I did not know those gateways had disappeared. They probably simply removed them because they know it is worthless hiring scandinavian anymore. They just keep copenhagen to keep the face.

norwegian pilot

10th August 2007, 14:47

Oslo, Sandefjord, Stockholm, Gøteborg and København is open as gateways. Both Norway and Sweden has a dual taxation agreement with Portugal so theres no double taxes. ie. 32% total tax and thats it. I dont know about Denmark.

CL300

10th August 2007, 15:49

Both Norway and Sweden has a dual taxation agreement with Portugal so theres no double taxes
Do you have a portuguese contract ?

Flintstone

10th August 2007, 18:38

*bookmarks thread.

This could be interesting.

falconbis

10th August 2007, 18:39

Its gone be interesting how you gone explained you tax authority that you have an English contract payslip in Pounds and pay tax in Euros in portugal>>> tell me, which bilateral agreement do you use ? Sueden England ? Sueden Portugal ? where is your Portuguese contract then? Sueden England ? why do you pay tax in portugal then ? because head quatter in portugal ? ok, why don t you have a Portuguese contract then? :bored: good luck

nikkolina

10th August 2007, 21:30

"Oslo, Sandefjord, Stockholm, Gøteborg and København is open as gateways."

Are all of them still available? The web site only specifies Oslo, Stockholm, and Copenhagen. Not Sandefjord an Gothenburg. Is the web site info wrong?

norwegian pilot

10th August 2007, 23:43

I know of NJE pilots in all the above mentioned bases. If they are there I guess its possible more pax can live there..

If you are Norwegian or Swedish and work for an international company, regardless of wich(NJE, Global Jet... internet chip international) and in the contract you must pay incometax to the country of your companys HQ, in NJE`s case Portugal and UK(social security), both mentioned countrys have a bilateral tax argeement that prevents dual taxation. Just contact your local tax agent and get the facts instead of waisting time here speculating.

cheers.

Flintstone

11th August 2007, 00:55

My understanding was that the pilots in those countries had already done that, spoken to their tax authorities. The people posting here are not speculating but repeating what their tax authorities have told them.

Bit of a difference.

CL300

11th August 2007, 06:46

norwegian pilot I know of NJE pilots in all the above mentioned bases. If they are there I guess its possible more pax can live there..

If you are Norwegian or Swedish and work for an international company, regardless of wich(NJE, Global Jet... internet chip international) and in the contract you must pay incometax to the country of your companys HQ, in NJE`s case Portugal and UK(social security), both mentioned countrys have a bilateral tax argeement that prevents dual taxation. Just contact your local tax agent and get the facts instead of waisting time here speculating.

cheers.

Dear fellow crewmember,

You are rehearsing the company position well, HOWEVER, the double taxation agreement is valid only between 2 countries, the HQ is not mentionned in the double taxes agreement, ONLY the 'EFFECTIVE' control of the company ( to prevent mail-boxes companies in tax Heaven). Where are the customers contracts signed with ? Where are the Pilots coming from ? Where are the Sales publicised from ? , Read the brochures, NTA is the charter operation of Netjets. Do not get lured by the fact that everybody is calling himself Netjets...

You will find that your LOCAL tax agent is not high enough in the ranking to approve such an operation, or statement, this is to an European level. It is very clearly written in the european law and various agreement, before being so pedantic, you should rehassess the problem on a large scale. ( The very famous BIG picture)

For the time being , if you are not on an UK-based contract, a Portuguese contract, OR the Isle of Man contract, you are not legal.

The IOM contract isl egal, based on the External Services from UK; the only thing is that you have to declare yourself as self-employed in your home country and pay the correct taxes on it; the fact that some people did not do it at times, does not void this contract, nor the company behaviour. Most of the seniors pilots did their homework in their respective countries, today we will not be able to handle the year 2008, BECAUSE we will be TRIPLED taxed to a Level of 90% !!!!!! The New guys will be DOUBLE taxed !!!
This is not speculation these are facts, coming from various IRS in Europe, and documented.

You are mentionning Global Jet as an example, If you are LUX based, you will be paying your taxes in LUX but why would you pay your taxes in Moscow ?

Do not mistake my position, I'm more a pro-company than anybody else, but along the years it is time to grow up and not repeating the US scheme all together. We can do it right, so Just Do It !

Twin2040

11th August 2007, 08:35

Having CPH base - I confirm that there is trouble ahead. They do not care if you already paid tax in Portugal and UK - you claim them back !!! They want full tax in Denmark, when on Portugese contract.

norwegian pilot

11th August 2007, 09:11

CL300:

Just keep it simple. I know this for a fact. Theres no arguing about it; Norway and Sweden. IF you work for international company and tax your income to another country that Norway and Sweden has a tax agreement with there is NO DOUBLE TAXES !!! I dont know how the status is in Denmark. And yes, this information is konfirmed to me from pilots that lives in these countrys and thats uses a tax agent to do their taxes. In addition to be on the safe side, I contacted both the Norwegian and Swedish tax athorities and they send me a list of countrys that has signed the double tax agreement.

So CL300, why dont you contact the respective tax athority in these countrys and get the answer from them, since you obviously cant understand what Im writing here.

Smeagel

11th August 2007, 15:53

Upper management at NJE must be loving this. Instead of uniting as a workforce they've got you fighting each other.:D

Nice attitude norwegian.

falconbis

11th August 2007, 16:29

What we said above came from a law firm speciale in fiscal law and tax adviser within EU, we didn t make it up for the fun of it . The way Netjets set up the 25 pourcent in Portugal is an erroraccording to them. The question is did they make that error purposely or they have been advise wrongly? One interesting fact about this when we ask the question is : Why the Brits with the same contract than us don t have to pay tax in portugal....the Headquatter is the same than us in Portugal right ! they just answer that they don t want to restructure one more time the Brits :D which mean they decided to make us pay in Portugal like they decided to make the Brits pay in UK...how curious is that....That is not a bilateral agreement but a Deal to make the Portuguese authority happy as the AOC, office, etc is in Portugal since 10 years, a Portuguese contract will cost Netjets 45 % more benefits on top of your salary with an English contract only 12 %.... Netjets choose what is more avantageous to them even so most of the crew we will be badly hurt by that decision...they know about it as they gave us 2000 euros to fix it up ourself ...Do you know one Company of that magnitude who hired 800 pilots and say regarding your tax take the money and sorted out yourself and when you tell them this contract is illegal according to our tax adviser they say no its legal....what do you do then ?

CL300

11th August 2007, 17:22

norwegian pilot

Just keep it simple. I know this for a fact. Theres no arguing about it; Norway and Sweden. IF you work for international company and tax your income to another country that Norway and Sweden has a tax agreement with there is NO DOUBLE TAXES !!! I dont know how the status is in Denmark. And yes, this information is konfirmed to me from pilots that lives in these countrys and thats uses a tax agent to do their taxes. In addition to be on the safe side, I contacted both the Norwegian and Swedish tax athorities and they send me a list of countrys that has signed the double tax agreement.

So CL300, why dont you contact the respective tax athority in these countrys and get the answer from them, since you obviously cant understand what Im writing here.

I love you and I must be stupid like the other ones and all the layer firms all together, and obviously YOU are the smartest of all...I'm working in double tax agreement scheme for the last 25 years, It worked out fine until THIS deal...

And my friend, we have letters and answers and evidences from tax authorities in at least 4 countries that says that the double tax agreement is not applicable in this case, that includes France, Germany, Spain and Italy; BUT since you are better than the goverments in place; I do strongly suggest that you should go work in their offices to teach them the LAW and RULES of IRS..Until then, be prepared for an nasty wake-up call..

Flintstone

12th August 2007, 09:11

So that's Twin2040, Falconbis and CL300 saying they've consulted the authorities and it looks bad for our scandinavian colleagues and norwegian pilot saying *!@$*^@!! ;)

Oh dear.

bizantin

12th August 2007, 14:27

If you have a bit of ice on the wing and you have a doubt about deicing...then the rule of thumb is...there is no doubt!
For this reason (amongst some numerous of others) I left a company I really liked working for.
Ask yourself: Am I going to take the chance to get tax checked, or double or trebled checked? Knowing that next year most of you will be double taxed anyway since you pay tax (year n) on your income (year n-1) and portugal will tax at source.
Payslip of a french captain next year will be less than 5000euros and still with no pension!
Guys, this is definitely the best deal in Europe, isn't it?

norwegian pilot

12th August 2007, 18:02

CL300, again:

Im talkin about Sweden and Norway. Not France, Germany, Denmark or any other country. Read what Im writing and then response.

You just cant deny the truth, no matter how little you like it.

His dudeness

14th August 2007, 07:21

@norwegian:
"And yes, this information is konfirmed to me from pilots that lives in these countrys and thats uses a tax agent to do their taxes"

Mhhh, I do know for Germany at least,(from bad experience) that the TAXPAYER carries the ultimate responsibility for his tax, no matter who made the statement. Is that different in norway / sweden? Genuine question, no pun intended.

FYI there is the case of a bunch of German pilots using the same agent that did give them wrong advice / statements and they are being SUED for that.
My taxagent says that to me all the time: you pay for my advice, but if I´m wrong, its your problem !