Learjet Landing Accident Mumbai 14 Sep 23
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Learjet Landing Accident Mumbai 14 Sep 23
A Learjet lannding at VABB ( Mumbai ) in heavy rain has gone off the runway. All Pax & Crew are reported to be safe.
https://www.freepressjournal.in/mumb...isuals-surface
https://www.livemint.com/news/india/aircraft-crashes-at-mumbai-airport-with-8-passengers-on-board-11694693364447.ht
https://www.freepressjournal.in/mumb...isuals-surface
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Some excursion
the "excursion"
I would personally term that as a completely destabilised approach resulting in a crash.
I would personally term that as a completely destabilised approach resulting in a crash.
Safe as in safe in the hospital instead of safe in the morgue. Amazed that any occupant aboard an aircraft that strikes the runway in that attitude can survive.
From the first link in post #1:
An official at the BrihanMumbai Municipal Corporation (BMC) said all 8 people injured in the incident have been hospitalised.
From the first link in post #1:
An official at the BrihanMumbai Municipal Corporation (BMC) said all 8 people injured in the incident have been hospitalised.
A Learjet lannding at VABB ( Mumbai ) in heavy rain has gone off the runway. All Pax & Crew are reported to be safe.
https://www.freepressjournal.in/mumb...isuals-surface
https://www.livemint.com/news/india/aircraft-crashes-at-mumbai-airport-with-8-passengers-on-board-11694693364447.ht
https://www.freepressjournal.in/mumb...isuals-surface
https://www.livemint.com/news/india/aircraft-crashes-at-mumbai-airport-with-8-passengers-on-board-11694693364447.ht
Forgive me for I am not without a sense of humour,.However, this is quite a serious accident with people getting seriously hurt. Do we really need this school boy humour? Would we be seeing the same response had it been a UK registered aircraft crashing in the UK? I think not.
the "excursion"
I would personally term that as a completely destabilised approach resulting in a crash.
I would personally term that as a completely destabilised approach resulting in a crash.
Last edited by fdr; 15th Sep 2023 at 16:26.
Forgive me for I am not without a sense of humour,.However, this is quite a serious accident with people getting seriously hurt. Do we really need this school boy humour? Would we be seeing the same response had it been a UK registered aircraft crashing in the UK? I think not.
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Reminds me of the Buffalo "heavy landing" at Farnborough...
Edit: Just to qualify that remark - the Buffalo fuselage survived a very heavy impact (described by Farnborough PR as a heavy landing at the time) as did this Learjet, both allowing those on board to survive.
Edit: Just to qualify that remark - the Buffalo fuselage survived a very heavy impact (described by Farnborough PR as a heavy landing at the time) as did this Learjet, both allowing those on board to survive.
Last edited by treadigraph; 15th Sep 2023 at 11:41.
In the case of the Buffalo, Bill Loverseed wandered out of the wreck shaking his head and muttering what looked like .... "what happened there ? who did that ?"
A mate of mine at Britannia who had known Bill in the arrows said his eyesight was always suspect.
A mate of mine at Britannia who had known Bill in the arrows said his eyesight was always suspect.
They look as if they are banked to the right at about 40° and with nose down pitch as they 'touch' down. Completely the wrong attitude to be as one crosses the threshold. I am frankly amazed, (but glad), that any survived.
It appears to me that they had no idea they were so close to the runway - can't see if flaps and gear were down, and they did seem to be very very fast.
How, in this day and age, with all the training, the CRM and the studies of previous accidents; does a professional crew get so out of shape and with such absent SA?
If the downpour was so bad;
a) why were they approaching in the first place - what about potential microburst?
b) why didn't they say "nope, we are going to discontinue this approach'.
Does this aircraft type not have Rad Alts?
As for black humour - it is a coping mechanism.
It appears to me that they had no idea they were so close to the runway - can't see if flaps and gear were down, and they did seem to be very very fast.
How, in this day and age, with all the training, the CRM and the studies of previous accidents; does a professional crew get so out of shape and with such absent SA?
If the downpour was so bad;
a) why were they approaching in the first place - what about potential microburst?
b) why didn't they say "nope, we are going to discontinue this approach'.
Does this aircraft type not have Rad Alts?
As for black humour - it is a coping mechanism.
They look as if they are banked to the right at about 40° and with nose down pitch as they 'touch' down. Completely the wrong attitude to be as one crosses the threshold. I am frankly amazed, (but glad), that any survived.
It appears to me that they had no idea they were so close to the runway - can't see if flaps and gear were down, and they did seem to be very very fast.
How, in this day and age, with all the training, the CRM and the studies of previous accidents; does a professional crew get so out of shape and with such absent SA?
If the downpour was so bad;
a) why were they approaching in the first place - what about potential microburst?
b) why didn't they say "nope, we are going to discontinue this approach'.
Does this aircraft type not have Rad Alts?
As for black humour - it is a coping mechanism.
It appears to me that they had no idea they were so close to the runway - can't see if flaps and gear were down, and they did seem to be very very fast.
How, in this day and age, with all the training, the CRM and the studies of previous accidents; does a professional crew get so out of shape and with such absent SA?
If the downpour was so bad;
a) why were they approaching in the first place - what about potential microburst?
b) why didn't they say "nope, we are going to discontinue this approach'.
Does this aircraft type not have Rad Alts?
As for black humour - it is a coping mechanism.
They can sign some of that off against the next 12 yearly wing dismount.
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A mate of mine at Britannia who had known Bill in the arrows said his eyesight was always suspect.
Pardon the drift, back to the Learjet discussion....
That has the appearance of a low level LOC more than many other things. Nose dropping, wing going down. It’s difficult to judge the speed but the wreckage came to a halt within the field of view of the camera, judging by the plume of spray. What’s a typical bug speed on one of these? 125kts? Maybe that’s why they survived as it was a minimum energy impact?
As the turn seems to be taking them away from the runway centreline, it doesn’t look like a last minute correction to regain it, so perhaps an involuntary manoeuvre...
As the turn seems to be taking them away from the runway centreline, it doesn’t look like a last minute correction to regain it, so perhaps an involuntary manoeuvre...
Sorry, LOC ? Oh, loss of control ?
Yes, to "land" at that attitude is utterly bizarre, so something very wrong must have happened.
Can someone give us a concise explanation of the control mechanisms of this type. E.g. is it fly-by-wire or direct mechanical control. Do the flight controls have hydraulic assistance and what is the manual back-up and redundancy configuration?
Yes, to "land" at that attitude is utterly bizarre, so something very wrong must have happened.
Can someone give us a concise explanation of the control mechanisms of this type. E.g. is it fly-by-wire or direct mechanical control. Do the flight controls have hydraulic assistance and what is the manual back-up and redundancy configuration?