RFTF to ATO Progress
I hear that a couple of RTFs have sucessfully made the transition to ATOs. Would be interesting to know how it went. In particular, how much of their manuals they had to write themselves, and how much came from the Template Manuals.
MJ
MJ
... how may RTFs will simply give up...
I don't know if the new wind blowing through the CAA will be in time to save them.
MJ
of which they had, let's say, an extremely low opinion.
We know you guys are already doing a good job and safety is not an issue
I have just read a brand new CAA IN stating they are out to issue a new improved template manual...hopefully it may make things a little easier...Dan
We know you guys are already doing a good job and safety is not an issue
Reminds me of that scene from 'Mars Attacks!' where the Martians go around killing everyone, at the same time saying 'Dont be afraid, we are your friends!'
MJ
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Has the CAA or anyone else made a serious attempt to find out how may RTFs will simply give up?
REALLY!!!
Closing up shop because they did not want to fill in the ''blank'' spots on a manual.
GgW: Have you done a RTF-ATO conversion, or even read the ATO requirements, and the Template Manuals?
If you have we would love to hear how you got on.
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I have just emailed LTS Approvals to ask what's happened to v2 of the template manual. I'll let you know what they say.
Our situation is that our committee has decided to wind up the club, in part because of inability/unwillingness to meet the ATO requirements. So it's now down to individuals in the club to try to mount an independent rescue operation.
I've found almost no information on any of this. Is everyone just giving up? Does no-one have any experiences to share? Has anyone successfully made the transition? Does AOPA really have absolutely nothing to offer even its corporate members on this, as would appear to be the case?
NS
Our situation is that our committee has decided to wind up the club, in part because of inability/unwillingness to meet the ATO requirements. So it's now down to individuals in the club to try to mount an independent rescue operation.
I've found almost no information on any of this. Is everyone just giving up? Does no-one have any experiences to share? Has anyone successfully made the transition? Does AOPA really have absolutely nothing to offer even its corporate members on this, as would appear to be the case?
NS
'Never give up - never surrender!'
Working with industry, the CAA is in the process of drafting an AltMoC which will substantially reduce the size and complexity of the template ATO manual.
I attended an EASA workshop about this 3 weeks ago - EASA will draft a new AMC for non-complex ATOs, but that will take months to become law. So they're happy for the UK CAA to draft its AltMoC, because that can be achieved sooner. Here's what the CAA wrote in CAP1192 last Sunday:
Working with industry, the CAA is in the process of drafting an AltMoC which will substantially reduce the size and complexity of the template ATO manual.
I attended an EASA workshop about this 3 weeks ago - EASA will draft a new AMC for non-complex ATOs, but that will take months to become law. So they're happy for the UK CAA to draft its AltMoC, because that can be achieved sooner. Here's what the CAA wrote in CAP1192 last Sunday:
We have agreed with EASA and other Member States the potential to simplify the transition arrangements for Registered Training Facilities to become Approved Training Organisations by April 2015. It is unlikely that EASA will publish AMC material before end-2014, and have indicated that an extension to the present deadline is unlikely. We are working with AOPA and others to publish simplified transition guidance by end-September 2014.
Thanks for keeping us up to date, BEagle.
Can you give us any idea what form the 'substantial reductions' are likely to take?
MJ
...substantially reduce the size and complexity of the template ATO manual.
MJ
MJ asked:
Work in progress, but expect:
For those who might doubt the CAA's commitment, see http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/224/GA%20U...eport%20v3.pdf Also, the CAA is well aware that the new manual must be acceptable to those RFs which are 'sole traders' (one man bands!).
Can you give us any idea what form the 'substantial reductions' are likely to take?
- Vastly reduced 'safety' administrivial stuff - hopefully just a couple of sides of A4.
- No need to spell out the contentes of every single training exercise in loving detail - just refer to the AMC syllabus.
- Simplified 'post holder' requirements.
For those who might doubt the CAA's commitment, see http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/224/GA%20U...eport%20v3.pdf Also, the CAA is well aware that the new manual must be acceptable to those RFs which are 'sole traders' (one man bands!).
Thanks BEagle. I know you guys have done a lot of work behind the scenes on this.
We are all just holding our breath now, to see how it turns out.
MJ
Ps.
Did I really just say that I was holding my breath on a CAA prommise? That's a first for a few decades!
We are all just holding our breath now, to see how it turns out.
MJ
Ps.
Did I really just say that I was holding my breath on a CAA prommise? That's a first for a few decades!