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Old 3rd Mar 2013, 13:39   #1 (permalink)
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CAA PPL (A), SEP and FROTL Revalidation

Hi - I would really appreciate some help on what I need todo as a minimum (tests, training, exams etc ) to revalidate the privileges ofmy CAA PPL (A), SEP and FROTL as I really want to get back into flyingregularly (especially as I know live a short distance from an airfield!!).
I want to ensure I am EASA compliant of course.
History:
PPL (A) licenceissued in the UK in Sept 1995. Validity states ..."shall remain in forcefor the holder's lifetime...licence holder is entitled to exercise licence privilegeson aircraft registered in the UK..."

FROTL alsoissued in 1995. Validity states..."licence shall remain in force for theholder's lifetime...".

SEP ratingexpired in July 2003. Class 2Medical now expired.

Last flownas P1 ten years ago today, in March 2003 - only amassed 85.45 hrs between 1995- 2003 (stop start flying due to career).

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Old 3rd Mar 2013, 21:46   #2 (permalink)
 
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Quite simple really, go to the airfield and complete whatever training the school (RF) consider necessary; with a gap of 10 years you may need up to 10 hours training then pass a SEP class rating proficiency check and apply to CAA to reissue your SEP rating. You will need to obtain an EASA licence as your existing lifetime licence will cease to be valid on EASA aircraft after 8th April 2014. You will still be able to use it on Annex II aircraft. No written exams, test about an hour in duration.
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Old 4th Mar 2013, 07:16   #3 (permalink)
 
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Also make sure the application forms are completed correctly, are the latest issue, and include a SRG 1199 to ensure you are English Language level 6.

Re the forms, do you agree with the following, and please bear in mind I only print the relevant pages! For the above, ie outside the 3 year renewal time where CAA licence action required, including the issue of an EASA licence.

SRG 1119C "Renewal". Possibly SRG 1119E "Course Completion"to signify training took place. SRG 1157 "Examiners report", which includes Eng Level 6.
SRG 2199 "Examiners report" required by SRG 1119C.

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Old 4th Mar 2013, 11:37   #4 (permalink)
 
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Forms required
SRG 1119D Course Completion Certificate
SRG 1119C Application for renewal of a Class rating by CAA
SRG 1157 Examiners report superseded 2199 in October

SRG 1104 EASA licence application

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Old 4th Mar 2013, 14:13   #5 (permalink)
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Thanks thus far. I was told by a CFI that as over ten years I would need to to a comms (PPL) and practical test to renew my FRTOL. Is this not case any longer?

Also I would need to do a full PPL skills test. No written exams need to be re-done? Is this right?
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Old 4th Mar 2013, 19:43   #6 (permalink)
 
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Sorry, I meant SRG 1119D for " course completion". Re SRG 1157/2199, both are available and not specified as to which is to be used in addition to the "prof check" on the SRG 1119 A ,B or C.
Stds Doc 14 Ver. 6, para 12.9, page 16 simply asks for SRG 1119 and the SRG 1157 retained by the examiner.
As said above, for renewal within the 3 year period, I am completing SRG 1119C, both examiner forms, signing the logbook (test), completing the licence revalidation page; and if they intend to apply for an EASA licence in the near future, completing the SRG1199. Oh, and I take a copy of the SRG 1157/1119.
NB I am not using the SRG 1119D unless training takes place and licence "action" is required.
Basically making it up as I go along!

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Old 4th Mar 2013, 19:55   #7 (permalink)
 
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That was the case but that requirement is not in the current CAP 804 which states:
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3.5 FRTOL Validity
Stand alone UK FRTOL issued before 17 September 2012, had a ten year validity. When these licences expire, if the holder still requires to hold an FRTOL, they must complete form SRG 1106 and pay the appropriate fee.

A UK FRTOL issued after 17 September 2012, does not expire, but it is not valid unless the holder has language proficiency in English at Level 6, or at Level 4 or 5 that has not expired.
Note there is no mention of the majority case of a FRTOL issued with a pilots licence prior to 17 Sept 2012! As you already have a lifetime FRTOL, it would appear there is now nothing to do!

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Also I would need to do a full PPL skills test.
NO NO NO! there has been no such requirement for the past 13 years! PPL Skill Test is for initial licence issue only. You do a Licencing Proficiency Check.

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Old 6th Mar 2013, 07:44   #8 (permalink)
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How do I know if I have a standalone FROTL (i.e. need to renew after 10 years) or a combined PPL one (that does not need to be renewed)? Both were issued at the same time but are seperate pieces of paper.

Thanks all
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Old 6th Mar 2013, 09:35   #9 (permalink)
 
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If you had a stand alone, you would not have any other Flight Crew Licensed issued by the UK CAA

You also stated:
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FROTL alsoissued in 1995. Validity states..."licence shall remain in force for theholder's lifetime...".
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Old 6th Mar 2013, 20:05   #10 (permalink)
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Thanks once again. That's it from me, now to doing some groundwork to refresh myself again.
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