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Old 11th Dec 2012, 19:06   #1 (permalink)
 
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Part FCL Course Completion Certificate

Does anyone has a course completion certificate which would be approved under EASA.

I tried searching all my EASA documents but cannot found a template which would respect Part FCL requirement

thx
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Old 11th Dec 2012, 19:25   #2 (permalink)
 
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There is one on the CAA website. SRG1119 Either D or E I think.
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Old 13th Dec 2012, 08:52   #3 (permalink)
 
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http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/33/SRG1119Denabled.pdf
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Old 13th Dec 2012, 10:53   #4 (permalink)
 
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If you read the AMC to Part FCL you will see that EASA provide all the application forms required for all the relevant tests. The Course Completion Certificates are contained within those forms and are the only Acceptable means of Compliance. For some reason, the UK has decided not to comply with the AMC, has failed to notify a variation from the AMC and has produced a plethora of its own forms; there is nothing to suggest that these would be acceptable to EASA or any other Authority.
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Old 14th Dec 2012, 11:37   #5 (permalink)
 
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For some reason, the UK has decided not to comply with the AMC, has failed to notify a variation from the AMC and has produced a plethora of its own forms; there is nothing to suggest that these would be acceptable to EASA or any other Authority.
Whopity,

That wouldn't by the remotest chance be the same CAA whereby a Head of a Department at SRG answers exactly the same question on EASA Part-FCL licensing to two independent parties with answers that could not be any further polarised if one had been written by a Penguin and the other a Polar Bear.

Or the same CAA whose medical department applies EASA Part-MED rules differently for one person as another.

That is, the same CAA which goes into writing to state that it cannot apply a certain condition because it would be in breach of EASA Regulations whilst in the same breath breaching those regulations left, right and centre.

Surely not.....I am so sorry, I will flog myself with dannet wire before retiring back under my stone to consider the errors of my ways.....

Yours in abject shame....
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Old 14th Dec 2012, 16:57   #6 (permalink)
 
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Oh, the same UK CAA whose flight crew licensing dept I called up over month ago.
I asked simple thing about the foreign licence use on G-reg for PPL privileges outside CAS day VFR, as per Article 26 and 62(4). Lady on the phone had no clue and told me to email my enquiry/clarification request to the fclweb@caa.co.uk address. I had it in my gmail account as that's the one I swapped few emails (PROMPT!!) about the payment for RT issue etc.
Yet it's been more than a month since I sent this ANO Article 26 clarification email. My case isn't simple and wanted to make sure I had written statement to ensure I'd fly legally.

I know my case isn't relevant to the topic, so won't go into details. Just a rant. Good that I plan not to have any more flight training or licenses done in the UK. I swapped emails about specifics with Heads of PLD/FCL depts in two other countries, or their staff. NEVER had I had to wait more than few days, or when I called, I actually talked to someone who KNOWS the regs, rather than coffee-making paper pushers.

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Old 15th Dec 2012, 13:25   #7 (permalink)
 
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and wanted to make sure I had written statement to ensure I'd fly legally.
They will never give you such a statement, anymore than you would expect a a Police Station to give you a letter to say you were legal to drive a lawn mower! The rules are there plain to see, Article 26 and 62(4) is easy enough for a pilot to understand but if you need a legal interpretation then you must go to a lawyer. Why would you expect a clerk whose job is to process licence applications to understand the law any better than you do?
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Old 16th Dec 2012, 04:10   #8 (permalink)
 
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Whopity, my case isn't as straightforward and yes, I can read legalese.

THIS is the UK CAA page. Excerpt:

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A licence, except a Student Pilot Licence or equivalent issued by any other ICAO Contracting State (including a JAA State that has not yet been recommended for mutual recognition) is also deemed to be valid under the ANO for the purposes of flying a UK registered aircraft, providing that the licence and medical are valid in accordance with the rules/laws of the issuing State, and the CAA does not in the particular case give a direction to the contrary. However, Article 62(4) of the ANO states that the holder of such a licence cannot:
(my bold)

I did read the relevant ANO Article few times.
I asked about particular case which isn't that simple, wanting to make sure I would be legal. Also to ensure that renting or possibly flying SEP as tuggie wouldn't be denied/refused fearing that there could be insurance/licensing problems, purely on the basis not knowing 'exceptions' or have something tangible from UK CAA.

Yeah, I want too much, to FCL department to actually have someone who has idea about, oh, hang on, FCL and relevant regs. Sure, such person not reachable over the phone, that's why there's email.

Your analogy with lawn mower driving rights and police station is bit off.
For one, police and DVA/DVLA/DMV are separate agencies/organisations.

WHAT ELSE AM I SUPPOSED TO DO, SHORT OF GOING TO GATWICK IN PERSON?
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Old 18th Dec 2012, 11:01   #9 (permalink)
 
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You can fly using your ICAO licence which could be a rented aircraft but:
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it does not entitle the holder:
(a) to act as a member of the flight crew of any aircraft flying for the purpose of
commercial air transport, public transport or aerial work or on any flight for which
the holder receives remuneration for services as a member of the flight crew; or
By "tuggie" I presume you mean towing. Assuming that those being towed pay for their aerotow, then it is aerial work and you can't do it on an ICAO licence.

Going to Gatwick is not likely to be of much use as the CAA is not there to provide legal advice!
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