Fred Valentich
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No wal, we refer to the same BB. I dont know what he did (suicide or Planned dissapearance as some suggest) He was a character though.
I cant think of too many singles that have gone down in bass strait.
I cant think of too many singles that have gone down in bass strait.
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Yeah I thought we maybe ref to the same BB, just one has to be careful these days in the politically stupid world of ours not to hang ones self! I heard he had some personal troubles but hey yr right he sure was a charactor down there at WBL.
'S8'............Perhaps Fred went with Harold Holt in the Russian submarine to meet the KGB in Moscow!
...sheeeeez mate you crack me up!
Which CP are you ref too? We have had so many over the years I've lost count, good team now though
I think I might know whom to which you red when I think about it. At least with KII it's flat as, FLI is another story though!
Once upon a time you had to fly a SE via the islands (Rabbit, Deal, Hogan etc)going to FLI or via Cape Otway if off to KII & for good reason, now I If think everyone goes direct. I wonder which way Fred V was going that time?
If Fred V did encounter a UFO then it's most likey he wasn't the first & he won't be the last. The transcripts from the day indicate something wierd that's for sure.
CW
'S8'............Perhaps Fred went with Harold Holt in the Russian submarine to meet the KGB in Moscow!
...sheeeeez mate you crack me up!
Which CP are you ref too? We have had so many over the years I've lost count, good team now though
I think I might know whom to which you red when I think about it. At least with KII it's flat as, FLI is another story though!Once upon a time you had to fly a SE via the islands (Rabbit, Deal, Hogan etc)going to FLI or via Cape Otway if off to KII & for good reason, now I If think everyone goes direct. I wonder which way Fred V was going that time?
If Fred V did encounter a UFO then it's most likey he wasn't the first & he won't be the last. The transcripts from the day indicate something wierd that's for sure.
CW
I read through a number of the sites detailing his strange disapperance.
I'm very much a sceptic about alien interretations of any UFO sightings. One of his final transmisions mentions the engine running rough. Is there a feasible scenario that a cracked exhaust could have led to carbon monoxide entering the cabin of his aircraft causing him to hallucinate before passing out?
Certainly is an unusual story whatever happened and is tragic for his family that the truth is unlikely to be known
I'm very much a sceptic about alien interretations of any UFO sightings. One of his final transmisions mentions the engine running rough. Is there a feasible scenario that a cracked exhaust could have led to carbon monoxide entering the cabin of his aircraft causing him to hallucinate before passing out?
Certainly is an unusual story whatever happened and is tragic for his family that the truth is unlikely to be known
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Having personally heard the B.B. "mayday" tx tape the day after it happened, you could clearly hear the engine running sweetly in the backgound. 
That combined with THE most bogus calm rehearsed mayday call ever. All verified by the fact that PLOD called off the search virtually straight away and issued an APB for the aircraft, likely parked on a remote airstrip somewhere.
As for Freddie in his C182L, well, "Beam me up Scottie, there's no intelligent life down here." A local guy photographing the sunset captured a couple of images of something rising from the sea and there were other sightings along the coast that night. 6 minutes of comms from Freddie until 7:12:28PM, then... ooooooooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
That combined with THE most bogus calm rehearsed mayday call ever. All verified by the fact that PLOD called off the search virtually straight away and issued an APB for the aircraft, likely parked on a remote airstrip somewhere.As for Freddie in his C182L, well, "Beam me up Scottie, there's no intelligent life down here." A local guy photographing the sunset captured a couple of images of something rising from the sea and there were other sightings along the coast that night. 6 minutes of comms from Freddie until 7:12:28PM, then... ooooooooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
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Is there a feasible scenario that a cracked exhaust could have led to carbon monoxide entering the cabin of his aircraft causing him to hallucinate before passing out?
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I tought that carbon monoxide just put you to sleep. like one minute you are awake and all, next thing your lights are out.
I didnt think it would make you halicinate?
altough i sooner belive that than aliens strorys tough.
I didnt think it would make you halicinate?
altough i sooner belive that than aliens strorys tough.
I'm not really familiar with the investigation, and I'm sure this was considered, but what was the possibility that he was seeing the moon through clouds and/or a reflection of it? Granted that doesn't match up very well with the rapid movement of the object described by the pilot, but perhaps in conjunction with carbon monoxide or something else wafting through the cabin due to engine problems?
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I remember Fred's dissappearance as I was a newly licenced fledging and it was quite topical and with the NZ airliner having a close encounter with a UFO with footage shown on TV, we have speculated this over drinks since. Logic tells me Fred's was a case of unsure of position and the leans with the final dive into the ocean. There would not have been much of an oilslick in rough ocean conditions and commonsence tells me Fred's demise was on that fateful night, however wouldn't it be nice to think he actually went home with ET.
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By all reports it was dark when he disappeared or at least it was dusk. Remember back 30 yrs ago there was no daylight saving. If Fred did go home with ET I wish he'd phone home, am sure his parents would love to hear from him
Whatever his demise was, we can't disscount the UFO theroy completely. Besides it makes for interesting speculation.
CW
Whatever his demise was, we can't disscount the UFO theroy completely. Besides it makes for interesting speculation.
CW
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I tought that carbon monoxide just put you to sleep. like one minute you are awake and all, next thing your lights are out.
I didnt think it would make you halicinate?
altough i sooner belive that than aliens strorys tough."
gadude are you sure you're not suffering from carbon monoxide poisoning
I tought that carbon monoxide just put you to sleep. like one minute you are awake and all, next thing your lights are out.
I didnt think it would make you halicinate?
altough i sooner belive that than aliens strorys tough."
gadude are you sure you're not suffering from carbon monoxide poisoning
Remember back 30 yrs ago there was no daylight saving.
Victoria, along with NSW, Queensland, South Australia and the ACT introduced it in 1971. Not sure of the actual day it commenced each year though. I actually remember cursing it in the mid-70s when I was doing my HSC exams - it just seemed to prolong the day/heat in my mind and made evening study even more difficult than it already was.
Anyway, Wikipedia has a reasonable summary of the events at the time:
Valentich Disappearance - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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'teal' yr quite correct there about it's start date but thought it was only in NSW. Not too sure here in Vic where Fred decided to go with "ET". Maybe someone else can confirm if daylight saving started in Vic same time?
I stand corrected if so
CW
I stand corrected if so
CW
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In the 70's daylight saving started on the last weekend in October and finished first weekend in March. This of course did not apply in Queensland because big Jo wasn't getting out bed an earlier for anyone and also it would fade the curtains!
In the late 1970's a fleet of Japanese squid boats operated in Bass Strait, perhaps Fred got disorientated by their searchlights?
Anyone ever seen the Southern Aurora or Souther lights while flying across Bass Straight, with some cloud in the southern sky and the start of the light show it can be both frightening and also lead to disorientation.
Just after Fred disappeared a night freight crew in NZ saw strange lights on several sectors.
In the late 1970's a fleet of Japanese squid boats operated in Bass Strait, perhaps Fred got disorientated by their searchlights?
Anyone ever seen the Southern Aurora or Souther lights while flying across Bass Straight, with some cloud in the southern sky and the start of the light show it can be both frightening and also lead to disorientation.
Just after Fred disappeared a night freight crew in NZ saw strange lights on several sectors.
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By George
I was a pilot with Ausralian Air Charterers back then and was rostered to look for Fred in a Chieftain, VH-MBT. Spent about 6 hrs grinding up and down over the entire flight path with 8 CASA or DOT (whatever they called themselves then) people staring out the windows. Not a thing, not an oil slick, nothing, very strange. I remember a similar mission looking for Dr Ian Tippet missing in a PN68 off Wilsons Prom, found seat backings, oil etc almost straight away, but Fred, nothing. However a hazy sort of day and I still think it was a case of the 'Leans', followed by a loss of control. As for the lights above his head, it must remain a mystery.
Mate
Was Dr Ian Tippett and his son in a C-337 somewhere between King Island and Cape Otway?
My memory has slipped????
Kev
I was a pilot with Ausralian Air Charterers back then and was rostered to look for Fred in a Chieftain, VH-MBT. Spent about 6 hrs grinding up and down over the entire flight path with 8 CASA or DOT (whatever they called themselves then) people staring out the windows. Not a thing, not an oil slick, nothing, very strange. I remember a similar mission looking for Dr Ian Tippet missing in a PN68 off Wilsons Prom, found seat backings, oil etc almost straight away, but Fred, nothing. However a hazy sort of day and I still think it was a case of the 'Leans', followed by a loss of control. As for the lights above his head, it must remain a mystery.
Mate
Was Dr Ian Tippett and his son in a C-337 somewhere between King Island and Cape Otway?
My memory has slipped????
Kev
Kev, you might be thinking of the C337 VH-DND owned by Dick somebody, a mate of Bill Surhs, who was killed years later in VH-RED at EN. Ian Tippett did indeed take his young son with him, very sad, but it was in a Pn68.I cannot remember Dicks surname, but a great guy and a Dentist I think , as was Bill Surh. Bill gave me my first job at Peninsular Air Services flying the 3DB traffic reporting over the city in 1971. John Flemming the Chief Pilot was also killed later in NSW. If the truth is known the only thing that saved me was eventually getting into the Airlines. Looking back GA was dangerous then. I flew DND and we called it "Death and disaster" although it flew ok , just noisy and slow. We worked very hard back then, knew everything of course and flew a different type almost every day. Jack of all trades, master of none.
