GV recurrent
GV recurrent
Has anyone any latest info regarding recurrent training and costs on the GV/550? Savanna, Dubai and FSI are available I know and I believe FSI now offer home based study options? Any info most welcome. Thanks.
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There are no home study options that I have heard of at FSI, but they do have review materials available on line for the 550.
If you are price shopping, I have heard from a friend that CAE has opened their Shanghai center, and may be offering deals.
Good luck!
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If you are price shopping, I have heard from a friend that CAE has opened their Shanghai center, and may be offering deals.
Good luck!
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Finished my recurrent at CAE Dubai this week. Was not bad at all, but then I did have a US instructor. I find FSI above making deals, so if cost is the factor, CAE Morristown or Dubai, I don't think Shanghai is fully online yet, but may be mistaken!!
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Currently doing a FAA GV recurrent, can I fly 450/550 on my FAA lic?its been over 2 years since i did differences on the 450 and 550. Does anyone know if theres a regulatory requirement?
thanks in advance for any info.
thanks in advance for any info.
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CAE DALLAS has a new G450/550 sim. As for differences training, that is usually an insurance requirement, not a regulatory requirement. If you get the cheaper G-V recurrent you still get nicked on the 450/550 differences training. Of course, if you are a contractor and need the differences certificate for insurance purposes, CAE will probably save you some money.
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Remember that each country has its own requirements regarding differences training... So if you are flying an N reg in the USA, it's not an FAA requirement.
But when you are flying an N reg, under part 91 in a foreign country, you can't be sure.
Just sayin..
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But when you are flying an N reg, under part 91 in a foreign country, you can't be sure.
Just sayin..
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This suggestion to go to GV initial at CAE (at any location) will provide you the lowest cost, and lowest learning option. If you then get into a G450 or G550, you will be clueless....
A G550 initial is a far, far superior option, and FSI is a far far superior option.
Last I checked, CAE does not have a G550 initial book, and doesn't have the relationship with Gulfstream, so they are left to play catch up when Gulfstream desires you to operate in a specific manner... You may wish to think about this.
Sure, the G550 / FSI option is higher cost, but what is your reputation worth? Will you ever get a second chance if you look like a lump?
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A G550 initial is a far, far superior option, and FSI is a far far superior option.
Last I checked, CAE does not have a G550 initial book, and doesn't have the relationship with Gulfstream, so they are left to play catch up when Gulfstream desires you to operate in a specific manner... You may wish to think about this.
Sure, the G550 / FSI option is higher cost, but what is your reputation worth? Will you ever get a second chance if you look like a lump?
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"This suggestion to go to GV initial at CAE (at any location) will provide you the lowest cost, and lowest learning option. If you then get into a G450 or G550, you will be clueless.... "
"A G550 initial is a far, far superior option, and FSI is a far far superior option. "
As I accomplished my G550 initial in SAV, I cannot agree with your assessment. Ground school was good, but my Army helo instructors left a lot to be desired. More recent recurrent training in SAV has been generally good, but no better than my last recurrent at CAE Dallas.
"Last I checked, CAE does not have a G550 initial book, and doesn't have the relationship with Gulfstream, so they are left to play catch up when Gulfstream desires you to operate in a specific manner... You may wish to think about this. "
Not true, CAE has had G450/550 initial in Morristown for some time and in Dallas since March.
Re "Gulfstream desires you to operate in a specific manner..."
I would think the QRH, AFM, and AOM, published by Gulfstream and available to all operators would be the same. I don't believe there is a FS specific operating manual.
"Sure, the G550 / FSI option is higher cost, but what is your reputation worth? Will you ever get a second chance if you look like a lump?"
We all have our opinions, I respectfully disagree with yours. Cheers
"A G550 initial is a far, far superior option, and FSI is a far far superior option. "
As I accomplished my G550 initial in SAV, I cannot agree with your assessment. Ground school was good, but my Army helo instructors left a lot to be desired. More recent recurrent training in SAV has been generally good, but no better than my last recurrent at CAE Dallas.
"Last I checked, CAE does not have a G550 initial book, and doesn't have the relationship with Gulfstream, so they are left to play catch up when Gulfstream desires you to operate in a specific manner... You may wish to think about this. "
Not true, CAE has had G450/550 initial in Morristown for some time and in Dallas since March.
Re "Gulfstream desires you to operate in a specific manner..."
I would think the QRH, AFM, and AOM, published by Gulfstream and available to all operators would be the same. I don't believe there is a FS specific operating manual.
"Sure, the G550 / FSI option is higher cost, but what is your reputation worth? Will you ever get a second chance if you look like a lump?"
We all have our opinions, I respectfully disagree with yours. Cheers
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Not to de-rail this thread….but about FSI v. CAE I must say that I (reluctantly) jumped from FSI to CAE (Global Express) for geographic and contractual reasons and was expecting lower tier training after hearing all the industry chatter about CAE. Happily found the opposite at the CAE facility at KDFW. Sim is (nearly) brand new and instructors are very good too. 6 trips to recurrent there and always good.
Not sure about the rest but the Global program at CAE/DFW gets my big thumbs up.
Not sure about the rest but the Global program at CAE/DFW gets my big thumbs up.
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Difference between CAE and FSI.........
CAE instructors, for the most part, have all actually flown the aircraft!!
Not so much at FSI..... Even Obama57 states that with his G550 initial!
So if you want to pay more to hear how the flux capacitor works then FSI is your training provider. - Mostly useless information to try and justify their pricing!
If you want guys teaching you, that have or are currently flying the plane, and can give you some real work training, then go to CAE (Morristown)
Can't wait for CAE to get a G650.... yeah yeah I know I will be waiting a while till FSI and Gulfstream are done milking everyone for $100K+
My 2 cents!
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CAE instructors, for the most part, have all actually flown the aircraft!!
Not so much at FSI..... Even Obama57 states that with his G550 initial!
So if you want to pay more to hear how the flux capacitor works then FSI is your training provider. - Mostly useless information to try and justify their pricing!
If you want guys teaching you, that have or are currently flying the plane, and can give you some real work training, then go to CAE (Morristown)
Can't wait for CAE to get a G650.... yeah yeah I know I will be waiting a while till FSI and Gulfstream are done milking everyone for $100K+
My 2 cents!
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I just received a flyer announcing the G550 eRecurrent program, same pricing as the "normal" full service contract rate, $74,200. That price is negotiable, so your price will probably be lower.
This is my personal opinion...
All of the Simulator providers pricings are outrageous but probably FSI more so.
But CAE Dubai for me takes the cake for gouging prices when compared to other centre prices that I get, closely followed by FSI LGB and SAV.
I loath dealing with all of their marketing sales reps.
FSI to me seems particularly bad at competitive pricing probably because they are owned by BH and they have a captive market in training their sister company crew NJ and so are not interested in small operators.
It's a mad world when the hourly rate of a simulator approaches or exceeds the hourly running cost of flying the real aircraft.
Roughly 22-25k USD for a 5 day recurrent
Call it 1000 per day for ground school, that's about 20-21k for 3 days in simulator at 3x2!hour PF handling sessions.
That's about 3.5k per hour. Yes you do get 6 hours of PNF if you are paired up.
Like everything in aviation these days - powerless in the madness
All of the Simulator providers pricings are outrageous but probably FSI more so.
But CAE Dubai for me takes the cake for gouging prices when compared to other centre prices that I get, closely followed by FSI LGB and SAV.
I loath dealing with all of their marketing sales reps.
FSI to me seems particularly bad at competitive pricing probably because they are owned by BH and they have a captive market in training their sister company crew NJ and so are not interested in small operators.
It's a mad world when the hourly rate of a simulator approaches or exceeds the hourly running cost of flying the real aircraft.
Roughly 22-25k USD for a 5 day recurrent
Call it 1000 per day for ground school, that's about 20-21k for 3 days in simulator at 3x2!hour PF handling sessions.
That's about 3.5k per hour. Yes you do get 6 hours of PNF if you are paired up.
Like everything in aviation these days - powerless in the madness
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Very well stated Mr. Ramble on!
I've been going for ages, and little has changed. Instructors and materials are always dismal when compared to the best out there. The largest change I've seen at all centers is the move from fresh brew American coffee to those damn machines... Neither is a great choice.
Long ago, FSI had lots of former military guys teaching and managing, and this was bad news... Now days, these fossils and their cut-away starter/generators are mostly gone. The current crop of FSI guys do have a much higher knowledge of systems than CAE guys. The trick is to keep them focused on real world explanations and away from the physics of flux capacitors...
CAE goes back and forth with their push to get "real pilots". Your best bet here is to get a contract instructor who is networking for a good flying job... Some of the worst instructors I've had in the last 5 years at CAE are pilots who insisted in beginning every freakin thought with "The CRJ has this, but the G550 has that" I complained bitterly, only to hear how smart these check airmen were.
My biggest complaint with CAE is in their instructional materials.. They do not have an initial manual for the 550 as of yet.... They hand you a 5 manual and say "it's about the same" Gimmie a break, it's a major change. If this were a falcoon, you would need a different type rating for each!!
If I had the 12 million that I hear a sim costs, I'd buy a 450/550 convertible sim, put it somewhere really nice, next to a bar and hotel I owned, and put several hundred half hour videos on you tube!!!
Maybe in my next life!
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I've been going for ages, and little has changed. Instructors and materials are always dismal when compared to the best out there. The largest change I've seen at all centers is the move from fresh brew American coffee to those damn machines... Neither is a great choice.
Long ago, FSI had lots of former military guys teaching and managing, and this was bad news... Now days, these fossils and their cut-away starter/generators are mostly gone. The current crop of FSI guys do have a much higher knowledge of systems than CAE guys. The trick is to keep them focused on real world explanations and away from the physics of flux capacitors...
CAE goes back and forth with their push to get "real pilots". Your best bet here is to get a contract instructor who is networking for a good flying job... Some of the worst instructors I've had in the last 5 years at CAE are pilots who insisted in beginning every freakin thought with "The CRJ has this, but the G550 has that" I complained bitterly, only to hear how smart these check airmen were.
My biggest complaint with CAE is in their instructional materials.. They do not have an initial manual for the 550 as of yet.... They hand you a 5 manual and say "it's about the same" Gimmie a break, it's a major change. If this were a falcoon, you would need a different type rating for each!!
If I had the 12 million that I hear a sim costs, I'd buy a 450/550 convertible sim, put it somewhere really nice, next to a bar and hotel I owned, and put several hundred half hour videos on you tube!!!
Maybe in my next life!
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GV -> G550 recurrent
Hello
I have a GV type rating and last flew the airplane 13 years ago. Does anyone know what would be required for me to get recurrent in the G550? I am guessing that I would just do a recurrent and differences (I have been told not required but I would do it) and be good to go but not sure how the 13 years might affect this.
Thanks for any feedback!
I have a GV type rating and last flew the airplane 13 years ago. Does anyone know what would be required for me to get recurrent in the G550? I am guessing that I would just do a recurrent and differences (I have been told not required but I would do it) and be good to go but not sure how the 13 years might affect this.
Thanks for any feedback!
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Do you live in Sanlitun? Watch out, there are a lot of crazy, drunk, 605 drivers wandering around there...
IF you are FAA part 91, you can do recurrent and be all good. If you are 135 you will need a full initial if you haven't flown the type in over a year.
If you are in China, and have Chinese licensure, who knows? EASA? you'll need to start flight training all over again, and do it in French.
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IF you are FAA part 91, you can do recurrent and be all good. If you are 135 you will need a full initial if you haven't flown the type in over a year.
If you are in China, and have Chinese licensure, who knows? EASA? you'll need to start flight training all over again, and do it in French.
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I was quoted $31,500 for G550 FSI Dallas recurrent. But that is in cash, veteran discount, recently laid off discount and the contract signed in the blood of my first born.
No I do not qualify for the FSI Pilot Proficiency Program for recently laid off pilots. My wonderful company cancelled our full service contract last year to save money.
Since I don't give a flip about reputation or even the quality of training and this is my 10th GV/550 training event, I will go with the MUCH cheaper CAE Dallas if I must pay for the sim on my own.
I was very recently "retired" from a major corporation one month before I was to attend annual recurrent training and all I want is the damn piece of paper saying I am sim current.
Or in a perfect world, I get hired by one of the 8 companies I have applied for in the G550 and they pay for my recurrent.
No I do not qualify for the FSI Pilot Proficiency Program for recently laid off pilots. My wonderful company cancelled our full service contract last year to save money.
Since I don't give a flip about reputation or even the quality of training and this is my 10th GV/550 training event, I will go with the MUCH cheaper CAE Dallas if I must pay for the sim on my own.
I was very recently "retired" from a major corporation one month before I was to attend annual recurrent training and all I want is the damn piece of paper saying I am sim current.
Or in a perfect world, I get hired by one of the 8 companies I have applied for in the G550 and they pay for my recurrent.
