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Old 2nd Jun 2014, 07:28
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Hear! Hear!
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Most enjoyable and interesting programme about a courageous and highly talented man. 'Winkle' is also a master of understatement.

Difficult to understand why he has never received a Knighthood but then he doesn't play football and has never been in show business
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Is it going to be repeated or be available online?
Repeated tomorrow (Tuesday) at 23.20 (BST)

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Thanks. That's slightly more tolerable - 0620 local
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What an incredible man! I watched this in awe. I moly hope that if I reach the ripe old age of 95 I am as lucid and sharp as him.

As mentioned in this thread why did I not see SIR Eric Brown?

When we talk of heroes this man stands head and shoulders above the rest.

Torpedoed, bale out of burning aircraft, land twin engined aircraft on carrier, land first jet on carrier, fly what amounted to a death trap and live to tell the tale!
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You just know that he would have taken the Miles M-52 and broken the "Sound Barrier" and by now would probably be Lord Eric Brown......
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Just for sparing the world from a certain American pilot's ego !

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I have an excellent book, "War Prizes", signed by Eric Brown. The author is Phil Butler and it is a Midland Counties Publication.

It is very well illustrated and covers all of the axis aircraft captured and tested both during, and immediately after WW2.
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Old 3rd Jun 2014, 01:56
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The man shone through all the flim flam. By which I mean:-
  • continuous and irritating music
  • images and shots that were repeated
  • shots that were repeated but shown in reverse so that you might think it was a new shot
  • still images that were heavily photoshopped
  • still images manipulated to appear as moving images
The material and the man was more than strong enough and did not need all the modern 'playing around with'. If they didn't muck about, they would have saved themselves money. unfortuantely, that's the fashion.

But, worth watching for the way he describes a 'hairy situation' as being 'a bit tricky' and with no false modesty and never 'shooting a line'.

Knighthood irrelevant. His colleagues and those who watched would have seen the man.
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One thing puzzles me; although he was never in the RAF, the 'portrait' photo clearly showed him wearing RAF uniform.
No mention of him commanding 'Enemy Aircraft Flight', his work on catapult and arresting systems or the Sea Vampire 'rubber landing deck'.
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On the Honours point bear in mind it's possible to be nominated but refuse. I know one or two individuals who were said to have done so.
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Old 3rd Jun 2014, 12:02
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Knighthoods.....

Anyone can nominate anyone else for an honour. There is a standard form..as one would expect of the Civil Service...so if anyone fancies the task of filling it in and submitting it, here's the website to start from...

https://www.gov.uk/honours/nominate-someone-in-the-uk

It seems that one cannot recommend an individual for a particular honour, just for "an honour" in general. No reason why you can't suggest a Knighthood, though. Since we now have all manner of deserving dopefreak rock and rollers as Knights of the Realm, I'm not sure if Capt. Brown would wish to be in their company.
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RAF uniform - he learnt to fly in 1937 while at Edinburgh University with the Air Unit, which is probably where the photo came from. On return from Germany, he joined the RNVR as an FAA pilot, according to Wiki
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he joined the RNVR as an FAA pilot, according to Wiki
and according to Brown in the programme. He said that he returned to England at the start of the war and saw a notice that the FAA were looking for pilots - so he joined them (he did not say but) almost on a whim. Hence his career path from RAF, FAA, RAE.
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Did he ever fly any commercial aircraft? His list of military is phenomenal.
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Yes:-

Avro Tudor
Avro York
Bristol Britannia
Britten-Norman Islander
DH Comet
DH Rapide
Douglas Dakota
HP Hermes
Hawker Siddeley 748
Lockheed Constellation
Lockheed Electra
Scottish Aviation Twin Pioneer
Vickers Vanguard
Vickers VC10
Vickers Viking
Vickers Viscount

And I am sure I have got some of these wrong!
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There's an interesting interview by award-winning journalist and pilot Pat Malone here:

Captain E M Brown CBE AFC DFC FRAeS RN

It starts at page 9 of the link.
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FL.
Thanks for the link - a fascinating read.
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Blimey! What a list shame he didn't manage to add Concorde.
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