YMML queue rwy 16 yesterday
In all fairness, I think ML is ‘usually’ the quickest at departures. I routinely get a clearance to line up and depart with traffic at 3 miles. SY comes second with about 3-5 miles and BN the worst with a mighty dash at 5-7 miles and we sit there for another 3 minutes waiting……and waiting…..and waaaaaiiting for it to arrive………..
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In all fairness, I think ML is ‘usually’ the quickest at departures. I routinely get a clearance to line up and depart with traffic at 3 miles. SY comes second with about 3-5 miles and BN the worst with a mighty dash at 5-7 miles and we sit there for another 3 minutes waiting……and waiting…..and waaaaaiiting for it to arrive………..
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Nothing has improved during his reign and yet the government keeps renewing his contract.
United Airlines are saying they've had their best ever year, now that is saying something. Aircraft orders and deliveries are staggering, recruitment is hammering. Yet good ole Australia will sit around, making hammering staff on conditions a priority, rather parking jets than getting them in the air making money.
Just take a look at United's flights out of Australia and tell me who our national airline is.
If you don't see how much of a joke this country's airline/aviation industry is then you're a bit dim.
In terms of pax, again for August, there were in aggregate something like 134,059 pax moved between the two countries - United carried 47,218 (35.2 percent); the QF group carried 89,013 (66.4 percent).
TCAS is pretty close and visually I think I can tell what’s about 3 miles and what’s 5 after thirty years. And quite routinely I’m about 1000’ when a ‘TO’ clearance is issued to someone on the ground. But in any case, I think there is room for improvement everywhere. I watched a company aircraft piss around when told ‘line up be ready immediately’ and cause a go round a few years ago. A controller will only be burnt that way once………..
A frequent contributor to this topic over many, many years has said that the primary cause of the problem is: lack of concrete. That's short hand for not enough runway, not enough aircraft gates and not enough aircraft parking area. The gist of their point is that no amount of air traffic control can cure a lack of concrete.
A frequent contributor to this topic over many, many years has said that the primary cause of the problem is: lack of concrete. That's short hand for not enough runway, not enough aircraft gates and not enough aircraft parking area. The gist of their point is that no amount of air traffic control can cure a lack of concrete.
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Just put all the extra concrete in G - like Ballina - and job done! 
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Feel for anyone stuck in that.
Someone mentioned JFK taxi times. AFAIK the record is still 8 hours taxi time. JFK-LAX taxi out with two crew, hit TOD limits before they made the runway, so it was time to return to the gate but then they were at the back of the return queue. That's quite a bit of taxi practice
Someone mentioned JFK taxi times. AFAIK the record is still 8 hours taxi time. JFK-LAX taxi out with two crew, hit TOD limits before they made the runway, so it was time to return to the gate but then they were at the back of the return queue. That's quite a bit of taxi practice
Feel for anyone stuck in that.
Someone mentioned JFK taxi times. AFAIK the record is still 8 hours taxi time. JFK-LAX taxi out with two crew, hit TOD limits before they made the runway, so it was time to return to the gate but then they were at the back of the return queue. That's quite a bit of taxi practice
Someone mentioned JFK taxi times. AFAIK the record is still 8 hours taxi time. JFK-LAX taxi out with two crew, hit TOD limits before they made the runway, so it was time to return to the gate but then they were at the back of the return queue. That's quite a bit of taxi practice
As said above above lack of runways, and poor airspace design and management is the problem. Theres also a distinct lack of coordination between ground, tower and departures, that leads to either no gaps for departures, or excessive gaps when no or few departures.
If you want a basic idea of lack of coordination, take LAHSO on 34. Then put all the domestic arrivals and departures on 27 and hold departures when the domestic arrivals could all be holding short while departures are unrestricted on 27. Why have most arrivals on 27 when LAHSO is in progress???
Last edited by 43Inches; 5th Dec 2023 at 01:26.
You tow aircraft that are ready for push back from the gate to a remote stand where later push back will not be required, leave one guy on the headset until ATC give a start clearance 10-15 mins before departure.
They did this effectively at Pudong , Beijing, Chen Lap Kok and even Kai Tak over 20 years ago.
They did this effectively at Pudong , Beijing, Chen Lap Kok and even Kai Tak over 20 years ago.
it was a south easterly - too much tailwind on 27. We’re constrained by the no more than 5kt on a dry runway, any at all on a wet runway….maybe the airlines should push for this to be changed. We are all for it!
TCAS is pretty close and visually I think I can tell what’s about 3 miles and what’s 5 after thirty years. And quite routinely I’m about 1000’ when a ‘TO’ clearance is issued to someone on the ground. But in any case, I think there is room for improvement everywhere. I watched a company aircraft piss around when told ‘line up be ready immediately’ and cause a go round a few years ago. A controller will only be burnt that way once………..
if anything we might tell you the traffic is closer than it is to get you (not you personally) to hurry up. There is such a large variation of how quickly or not different airlines (even individual pilots) line up and get going. We have to work with the lowest common denominator.
Not sure what you mean sorry. Just saying there’s no point you telling me traffic is at 3 miles to get me to hurry up when I can see from its profile on TCAS that it’s further out. 🤷♂️
I’m not saying we’d say 3 when it’s 5 - more like 2.5 when it’s 3. On another point raised here we will word number one for an immediate departure hoping to get the second one away in the same gap. Doesn’t often happen. I know “immediate” means line up and take off without stopping but it seems some guys just like to admire the view.
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