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Old 5th Dec 2023, 04:53
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Or Bonza could just hire Aussies….. they shouldn’t be allowed to use foreign crew when the down time is over in Canada just to keep their ops going. Go hard CASA.
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Or Bonza could just hire Aussies….. they shouldn’t be allowed to use foreign crew when the down time is over in Canada just to keep their ops going. Go hard CASA.

ACMI happens all over the world and aircraft swaps or seasonal changes.

Jingoism is alive and well in Stralya.

hundreds of pilots head off to fly for foreign airlines etc but oh my God if overseas pilgrim pilots come to the land dununda to do the same the Gummit needs tho step in and save us

Wakeup and get with the real world.
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Nailed it TBM !!
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it's a SME Startup, Duh. They listened to Tony Fernandes, only way to break into the aussie market.
Maybe they listened but did they hear?
​​​​​​​ Am I going to come up and set up AirAsia Australia? No. Tiger is on drugs doing it," Mr Fernandes told The Australian Financial Review.

"You (Tiger) are sitting on a market of a billion people and you go and put half your capacity in a market of 24 million which has two pretty strong airlines; it doesn't make sense to me."

Singapore-based Tiger Airways yesterday launched a $S273 million ($214 million) initial public offering. It set up a domestic airline in Australia in 2007.
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Originally Posted by TBM-Legend
ACMI happens all over the world and aircraft swaps or seasonal changes.

Jingoism is alive and well in Stralya.

hundreds of pilots head off to fly for foreign airlines etc but oh my God if overseas pilgrim pilots come to the land dununda to do the same the Gummit needs tho step in and save us

Wakeup and get with the real world.
Calm down, before you give yourself a stroke. I don’t care if they do what they do but they obviously have not done what they do properly.
They could employ Aussie pilots if they really want to get it in the air. Ah well I don’t actually care tho.
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Second Flair aircraft is busy confusing the Canuck’s with its Bonza signage ….
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They could employ Aussie pilots if they really want to get it in the air. Ah well I don’t actually care tho.
Australian pilots with a Canadian ATPL, oh and a spare AOC?
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Or Bonza could just hire Aussies….. they shouldn’t be allowed to use foreign crew.
Next time you're in a hard spot on the streets of Vancouver or Toronto mate. I hope a Canadian Pilot spits in your face and says the equivalent.
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Next time you're in a hard spot on the streets of Vancouver or Toronto mate. I hope a Canadian Pilot spits in your face and says the equivalent.

I will never be in the spot you wish me to be in…never. So pull your head on. If other countries do what Bonza wish to do good, I hope it doesn’t happen here plenty of Aussies in need of a job.
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I will never be in the spot you wish me to be in…never. So pull your head on. If other countries do what Bonza wish to do good, I hope it doesn’t happen here plenty of Aussies in need of a job.
You jest, not plenty of current B737-8Max captains (and F/O’s) sitting idyll waiting for a call-out for a few months work starting with little call up time.
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You do get that these are seasonal jobs, right? Come April or May these aircraft will be going back to Canada and the jobs along with them.

That said, an actual knowledgeable flight operations outfit would have been ahead of the curve on this caper, even to the extent of getting Transport Canada to do an expedited licence/endorsement for Australian pilots to fly these specific aeroplanes in Australia. I have had several such limited waivers from foreign regulators over the years.
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You do get that these are seasonal jobs, right? Come April or May these aircraft will be going back to Canada and the jobs along with them.

That said, an actual knowledgeable flight operations outfit would have been ahead of the curve on this caper, even to the extent of getting Transport Canada to do an expedited licence/endorsement for Australian pilots to fly these specific aeroplanes in Australia. I have had several such limited waivers from foreign regulators over the years.

so there 737-8max type rated crews swanning around Oz looking for a gig. If Virgin would like your resume. Flair arrived as ACMI aircraft but obviously someone didn’t do their homework…
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To obtain a FAAOC under the new regulations, CASA (when you ask them) will tell you the minimum time for approval is 90 days and the time to approve is dependent on how good the initial application is.

So unless Flair applied for the FAAOC back in late July/early August and their application was as the best of the best, there was no way Flair would be issued an FAAOC in November.


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Of course the next question is why does CASA take 90 days to review regulated documents from a country that meets the requirements of EASA/FAA or recognised countries like Canada and UK.
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Of course the next question is why does CASA take 90 days to review regulated documents from a country that meets the requirements of EASA/FAA or recognised countries like Canada and UK.
Because they start exactly at 9am, followed by their daily coffee making session which normally involves the entire team where they banter about the food old days, followed by a stop by the glass cabinet housing all the retired planes they used to fly, a few daily birthday cakes, read a few emails but don't respond, lunch, coffee, another visit to glass cabinet and then at 4:58pm logoff computer just in time for digits to roll over to 5:00 .
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Originally Posted by TBM-Legend
Of course the next question is why does CASA take 90 days to review regulated documents from a country that meets the requirements of EASA/FAA or recognised countries like Canada and UK.
They are quicker than our friends across the ditch…minimum time for NZ CAA to approve a FAAOC is 120 days.
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It’s funny CASA had no problem giving immediate approval for foreign operators in 1989!!
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It’s funny CASA had no problem giving immediate approval for foreign operators in 1989!!
CAsA did not exist then. Back to the future, anyone?

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Old 6th Dec 2023, 23:03
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Originally Posted by Gne
CAsA did not exist then. Back to the future, anyone?

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I was about to make a similar observation that it must have been approved retroactively; CASA wasn't created until July 1995.
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Originally Posted by MickG0105
I was about to make a similar observation that it must have been approved retroactively; CASA wasn't created until July 1995.

same mob that just keeps changing its name

DCA, DOT ATG, CASA and one looks at overseas equivalents they still use the same names eg FAA, CAA etc etc

we say change the name is change the culture!!!

another misguided issue impacting all agencies in Australia. It’s an immature approach and good for advertising agencies
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