Brisbane FOG

[Keg]

Kalgoorlie suitable as an adequate but can't be planned as an alternate. Learmonth and Adelaide are the closest alternates to Perth for the A330.

Need to get the runway and apron sorted at Karratha Awol57 so I can log in there if needed. At least I know I'd have a place to stay.

[Awol57]

Keg, I'll get my people onto it

I reckon our Apron would handle it but we might be a tad short on length. Always the problem!

[underfire]

The current GBAS system only allows cat 1 operations but will be able to do Cat11 and even Cat111 further down the track.
Once fully certified it will be by far the best system there is but that does seem quite a way off yet

Looking at the system parameters, it already provides CATIII specs, and several entities are using GBAS for autoland (military). Certification is not that far off.

[Snakecharma]

AWOL, from memory runway length is ok, the taxiway width is the problem, we can't get off the runway.

[Capn Bloggs]

Originally Posted by Keg

so I can log in there if needed

Can't you use the Internet to do that?

I'm going to be bad at work today...

[megle2]

hey we have discussed Perth over and over, lets forget about it until the next event and then re hash again
In the mean time while Brisbane was fogged I'm told Brisbane West was clear, hasn't it got everything you need to park for a while

[RodH]

Brisbane West might be OK for Domestic operations diversions but unless things have changed International Operators can only use an airport that has Customs and Immigration so that leaves out quite a few from being able to use it.

[megle2]

RH, yep granted but what about the domestics particularly Q as they already use it for the Dash particularly if Cooly and Sunny coast are full

[Fieldmouse]

Question for Keg maybe, for an international alternate, when the pax are staying on board while the fog clears at the destination, can any suitable airport be used or is customs/immigration required anyway?

[BuzzBox]

...for an international alternate, when the pax are staying on board while the fog clears at the destination, can any suitable airport be used...?

Nope. According to S10(1) of the Air Navigation Act 1920, an aircraft arriving from "a place outside Australian territory" must land at an aerodrome designated as an international airport. Under the Act, non-compliance can lead to the imprisonment of the operator and the pilot-in-command for up to two years. The designated international airports are listed in AIP GEN 2. Brisbane West isn't one of them.

In some cases (eg Kalgoorlie, Learmonth, Alice Springs), the passengers and crew must remain onboard the aircraft and then proceed to a major international airport for clearance.

[Keg]

Originally Posted by BuzzBox

Nope. According to S10(1) of the Air Navigation Act 1920, an aircraft arriving from "a place outside Australian territory" must land at an aerodrome designated as an international airport. Under the Act, non-compliance can lead to the imprisonment of the operator and the pilot-in-command for up to two years. The designated international airports are listed in AIP GEN 2. Brisbane West isn't one of them.

CX has operated a freighter into BNE West on occasion. Dispensation? Or did they operate via CNS or similar? Different rules for freighters?

[waren9]

Nope. According to S10(1) of the Air Navigation Act 1920, an aircraft arriving from "a place outside Australian territory" must land at an aerodrome designated as an international airport. Under the Act, non-compliance can lead to the imprisonment of the operator and the pilot-in-command for up to two years. The designated international airports are listed in AIP GEN 2. Brisbane West isn't one of them.

air nz were in newcastle recently with no drama. i think the taf folks were a bit slow on it that morning in syd.

[BuzzBox]

CX has operated a freighter into BNE West on occasion. Dispensation? Or did they operate via CNS or similar? Different rules for freighters?

I think that was a one-off 'proving' flight to show it could be done and to garner a bit of publicity for the owners of the airport. The aircraft flew in to Wellcamp from Sydney and then departed for Hong Kong. I assume they had some kind of dispensation to depart for an international destination from a non-designated airport.

[BuzzBox]

air nz were in newcastle recently with no drama. i think the taf folks were a bit slow on it that morning in syd.

Newcastle/Williamtown is listed in the AIP as a 'Restricted Use International Airport'. Prior approval is normally required, but if the weather in Sydney has turned to poo and you've run out of options then I can't imagine anyone getting too fussed.

[coaldemon]

You can't plan Williamtown as an alternate I think you will find.

[TurningFinalRWY36]

don't think he is referring to using it as a planned alternate, if things turned bad in sydney with low fuel i think id be popping up to newcastle as well

[Derfred]

AWOL, Charma...

AWOL, from memory runway length is ok, the taxiway width is the problem, we can't get off the runway.

KGI has an Apron parking plan that includes A330 last time I looked. Doesn't mean of course that your airline allows it.

Likewise, Wellcamp can accommodate domestic 737's, but due no infrastructure (eg stairs) is not currently used as a domestic alternate for my airline.

[BuzzBox]

don't think he is referring to using it as a planned alternate

Correct. I wasn't!

[sunnySA]

Derfred

Wellcamp ... is not currently used as a domestic alternate for my airline.

Why wouldn't your airline put a set of stairs at BWW just in case? Seems a cheaper option than a more lengthy diversion?

[maggot]

Originally Posted by sunnySA

Derfred

Why wouldn't your airline put a set of stairs at BWW just in case? Seems a cheaper option than a more lengthy diversion?

Contracts,support staff etc needed for it to be an 'on line' option