Yet another "loan"..
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Hedging fuel can work against you too.
If they did it right as suggested all the more reason that they should be making bigger $$$$$. The mail room guy is not up to the finer points of actually running an airline. It's easy to be everyone's friend but it's a tough industry that requires tough love to make it work
If they did it right as suggested all the more reason that they should be making bigger $$$$$. The mail room guy is not up to the finer points of actually running an airline. It's easy to be everyone's friend but it's a tough industry that requires tough love to make it work
Hedging fuel can work against you too.
If they did it right as suggested all the more reason that they should be making bigger $$$$$. The mail room guy is not up to the finer points of actually running an airline. It's easy to be everyone's friend but it's a tough industry that requires tough love to make it work
If they did it right as suggested all the more reason that they should be making bigger $$$$$. The mail room guy is not up to the finer points of actually running an airline. It's easy to be everyone's friend but it's a tough industry that requires tough love to make it work
Cathay Pacific are also getting burnt at moment as a result of their fuel hedging policy, so its not just Virgin!
I think one of Virgins core problems is running 2 very small fleets of different wide body Aircraft?
I think one of Virgins core problems is running 2 very small fleets of different wide body Aircraft?
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A few years ago I would have agreed. The evidence over the last year and a bit is to the contrary.
Of course, I lament what may have been if the focus had been on mainline from 2008-2013 instead of seeing everything over that time frame through orange and silver coloured glasses.
Of course, I lament what may have been if the focus had been on mainline from 2008-2013 instead of seeing everything over that time frame through orange and silver coloured glasses.
I did say earlier in the thread, that Air NZ had learned their lesson.
This just proves it, they are more than happy to get out while they can and leave the others with deeper pockets to fight it out amongst themselves over the dead (or dying) carcass.
This just proves it, they are more than happy to get out while they can and leave the others with deeper pockets to fight it out amongst themselves over the dead (or dying) carcass.
Would it be more of a concern if Air NZed increased their shareholding and continued to veto any meaningful route expansion at board level. Kiwis are a very proud and protective species. Virgin may have managed to unshackle from some unwanted influence.
Their ICAO designator is ANZ, all ICAO codes are 3 alpha... e.g. VOZ for VA, QFA for QF, AAL for American/AA.
Could this be a run by the Asian lion to get what they have wanted since before the AN collapse? Traffic rights on the Pacific ex Australia? It smells of the early stages of a long term engineering regime.
It was quite obvious (to me at least - and I could be totally wrong but don't think so) that SQ had with 2 board members shifted the fate of AN by placing NZ, with 2 members on their board in a position to take control of the cash stripped and foundering AN empire, knowing they were totally inadequate in being able to rescue the airline.
Then, the Lion would ride in on a white charger, rescue Ansett and be the good guy securing the future of the Airline but also giving them total access to the trans Pacific rights Ansett held. Great in theory but beautifully protected from any loss of face with NZ as the interface if something went wrong. It did - 9/11 - 48 hours before the axe fell and Ansett was grounded.
No white knight arrived, beautiful shielded by their blind using NZ with the board members delightfully invisible. No face lost there. Now - the next move.
The rights still being the holy grail for SQ, an immediate threat arrived with the attempt by Ansett crew and staff to restart the airline with a bid from the employee group. Bid came up from the employee group and various others.
Funny thing that - the Fox - Lew bid was tentatively accepted after drawn out negotiations and the funds from the pilots/staff group and others had expended their viable funds.
Strange that the bid was then withdrawn. One of the 2 involved was at a local club 12 months later and I asked the question on how big was the payout from SQ? I am 127 kilos and was shuffled out of the way by minders of a certain person who had assumed a non healthy purple colour.
So - bottom line. SQ still want Pacific rights ex Australia. Virgin are operating trans Pacific ex Australia. The Ansett collapse failed due to 9/11. Wounds licked, now let's wait.
Any SQ members on the Virgin Australia board?
Danger Will Robinson, Danger.
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EWL
It was quite obvious (to me at least - and I could be totally wrong but don't think so) that SQ had with 2 board members shifted the fate of AN by placing NZ, with 2 members on their board in a position to take control of the cash stripped and foundering AN empire, knowing they were totally inadequate in being able to rescue the airline.
Then, the Lion would ride in on a white charger, rescue Ansett and be the good guy securing the future of the Airline but also giving them total access to the trans Pacific rights Ansett held. Great in theory but beautifully protected from any loss of face with NZ as the interface if something went wrong. It did - 9/11 - 48 hours before the axe fell and Ansett was grounded.
No white knight arrived, beautiful shielded by their blind using NZ with the board members delightfully invisible. No face lost there. Now - the next move.
The rights still being the holy grail for SQ, an immediate threat arrived with the attempt by Ansett crew and staff to restart the airline with a bid from the employee group. Bid came up from the employee group and various others.
Funny thing that - the Fox - Lew bid was tentatively accepted after drawn out negotiations and the funds from the pilots/staff group and others had expended their viable funds.
Strange that the bid was then withdrawn. One of the 2 involved was at a local club 12 months later and I asked the question on how big was the payout from SQ? I am 127 kilos and was shuffled out of the way by minders of a certain person who had assumed a non healthy purple colour.
So - bottom line. SQ still want Pacific rights ex Australia. Virgin are operating trans Pacific ex Australia. The Ansett collapse failed due to 9/11. Wounds licked, now let's wait.
Any SQ members on the Virgin Australia board?
Danger Will Robinson, Danger.
Best all
EWL
Obviously, if they take 100% of VA, that would likely mean 49% of VA/I and effectively get what they want anyway but there will never be SQ metal operating on that route, it's a bridge too far for US, Australia and NZ.
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Singapore Airlines operates a daily A380 flight between Frankfurt and New York (JFK) being SQ 26/25. Emirates operates a daily A380 flight between Milan and New York (JFK) being EK 205/206. Doubtless, there are other examples of similar flights across the Atlantic. If non-European or non-US carriers can operate across the Atlantic in this way why are you so adamant that similar arrangements could not one day apply across the Pacific?