BA - QF merger?
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Just When You Think it Cant Get Worse
How many times have QF and BA gotten into bed with each other?
How many times has QF found BA to be a dud bash?
They swap executives..they swap planes...they trade in incompetence.
BA's unions are much tougher than QFs.
BAs staff have a lot more to lose than QF...we have already lost a lot.
Where are the synergies?
Whose going to be on top?
Australian Airlines Execs threw out the Qantas Guys.
Who is going to get thrown out this time.?
It does not sit well with Australians to have POMs Or Kiwis calling the shots.
Qants Cabin Services is full of women from the UK or NZ.
All of them incompetent.If they were any good they would have job in their own countries......we tend to end up with the failures or third stringers.
Mark Hassle is back inthe UK trying to do to BA service what he did to QF's.
So far its MH 0...Unions 4
How many times has QF found BA to be a dud bash?
They swap executives..they swap planes...they trade in incompetence.
BA's unions are much tougher than QFs.
BAs staff have a lot more to lose than QF...we have already lost a lot.
Where are the synergies?
Whose going to be on top?
Australian Airlines Execs threw out the Qantas Guys.
Who is going to get thrown out this time.?
It does not sit well with Australians to have POMs Or Kiwis calling the shots.
Qants Cabin Services is full of women from the UK or NZ.
All of them incompetent.If they were any good they would have job in their own countries......we tend to end up with the failures or third stringers.
Mark Hassle is back inthe UK trying to do to BA service what he did to QF's.
So far its MH 0...Unions 4
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So Mark Ferguson (Nine National news) declares the meger could spell the end of the flying kangaroo.......... Hasn't that been happening already over the last 4 years or so?
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caveat emptor....
Have a close look at the liabilities side and it isn't such sweet deal...
Mind the stooges thought APA was the high water mark of deals...
49% limit, big deal Anthony..
It is a takeover and the reason Dixon has been stating it is "inevitable" is becuase the clowns in Canberra signed it over months ago...Just like APA the treasurer saw "no problems" as it was a done deal before "the world's greatest treasurer" opened his mouth........
Bogetti was his usual smug self on 2UE, and to paraphrase him he stated Qf would comply with the conditions inposed by Anthony...errr the Minister of Transport..
Ought be good for a 10% pop on the markets and that after all is all that matters.
Have a close look at the liabilities side and it isn't such sweet deal...
Mind the stooges thought APA was the high water mark of deals...
49% limit, big deal Anthony..
It is a takeover and the reason Dixon has been stating it is "inevitable" is becuase the clowns in Canberra signed it over months ago...Just like APA the treasurer saw "no problems" as it was a done deal before "the world's greatest treasurer" opened his mouth........
Bogetti was his usual smug self on 2UE, and to paraphrase him he stated Qf would comply with the conditions inposed by Anthony...errr the Minister of Transport..
Ought be good for a 10% pop on the markets and that after all is all that matters.
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I cannot see them keeping two different brands for ever, eventually one will come under the flag of the other, it might be well down the track, but it is inevitable. Merge with the kiwis ok, but the POMS! With their attitude of "be reasonable, do it my way" and the Australian attitude of "get nicked" the marriage is on the rocks before it even made the honeymoon suite. Ever since the first World War, Australians and the English have been like oil to water, they take great delight in belting the crap out of each other on any playing field they can find, and I cannot think it will change in the future. Its a blood sport. JC, just when we thought it was safe to go back in the water, after Dixon had gone, we did not expect his last little surprise. Caveat Emptor is all I can say, and interesting to note on a poll conducted by Channel 9 re the "merging" 21,000 said yes, 52,000 no. Prepare yourselves for some more unpleasant surprises I think, we are entering round 2 of the destruction of the Rat.
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Half The Equation
BA and Qantas need two other partners.
An Asian Carrier and an American Carrier.
It will be interesting to see who puts their hand up.
American and JAL (or Cathay) would make a nice fit.
Although JALs balance sheet might rule it out.
An Asian Carrier and an American Carrier.
It will be interesting to see who puts their hand up.
American and JAL (or Cathay) would make a nice fit.
Although JALs balance sheet might rule it out.
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Not a peep at the AGM either...
Given the incredible difficulty in reconciling the share register during the APA fiasco shouldn't the foreign investment cap be lower than 49% in order to ensure that the Sale Act is not breached? Fools
Given the incredible difficulty in reconciling the share register during the APA fiasco shouldn't the foreign investment cap be lower than 49% in order to ensure that the Sale Act is not breached? Fools
I think a QF BA merger although maybe not the best outcome is a necessity to ward off the growing threat that a cashed up Emirates and goverment owned Singapore Airlines pose.
Scale of economies, oil hedging power etc etc.
It will be perhaps one of the biggest, if not the biggest Airline in the world.
Not sure if this will be a good or bad thing for aviation in the region???
But I suppose we have to accept change as the world moves on. Do our best and see if we can work it to our advantage somehow.
Scale of economies, oil hedging power etc etc.
It will be perhaps one of the biggest, if not the biggest Airline in the world.
Not sure if this will be a good or bad thing for aviation in the region???
But I suppose we have to accept change as the world moves on. Do our best and see if we can work it to our advantage somehow.
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Buster,yeah my post was deleted and I don't know why.
If the mods could pm me and let me know why?
Anyway,like most people here and tv aviation experts(sic) agree that it doesn't look like a good idea for Australia and QF either.
Like I said in my post which was deleted,If GD tells us this is a good idea then thats enough for me to thinks it's not.
Is it true that this idea was not brought up at the AGM?
On tv this morning they said that BA's costs were higher than QF's.So where exactly does this help QF?
Is BA interested in QF's cashflow like the takeover group was or is this another way of getting rid of some competition on the UK/Aust runs?
Either way I can't see a reason to let BA take over QF.
I wonder were this would leave J* if it went ahead?
A few years ago one of the Japanese car firms wanted to buy BMW because they wanted to add prestige to their business.The German government stopped it and it's about time an Australian government put a stop to everything we have being sold off.
QF is doing very well and has lower costs than a huge airline like BA so like the saying goes "Whats in it for QF and us"?
Unless the poms agree to QF taking over BA and calling the shots I don't think this is worth looking at.
If it does go ahead I bet GD comes out of retirement and gets a spot on the new mega airline with the excuse of his wealth of experience
If the mods could pm me and let me know why?
Anyway,like most people here and tv aviation experts(sic) agree that it doesn't look like a good idea for Australia and QF either.
Like I said in my post which was deleted,If GD tells us this is a good idea then thats enough for me to thinks it's not.
Is it true that this idea was not brought up at the AGM?
On tv this morning they said that BA's costs were higher than QF's.So where exactly does this help QF?
Is BA interested in QF's cashflow like the takeover group was or is this another way of getting rid of some competition on the UK/Aust runs?
Either way I can't see a reason to let BA take over QF.
I wonder were this would leave J* if it went ahead?
A few years ago one of the Japanese car firms wanted to buy BMW because they wanted to add prestige to their business.The German government stopped it and it's about time an Australian government put a stop to everything we have being sold off.
QF is doing very well and has lower costs than a huge airline like BA so like the saying goes "Whats in it for QF and us"?
Unless the poms agree to QF taking over BA and calling the shots I don't think this is worth looking at.
If it does go ahead I bet GD comes out of retirement and gets a spot on the new mega airline with the excuse of his wealth of experience
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BMW's a private company so the German government couldn't stop it being sold had the owners been willing to sell. Now if you were talking about French protectionism that would be another matter!
I just dropped in here from the northern hemisphere to see what the Dunnunda view was and it's certainly been an eye-opener; more nationalistic jingoism than solid arguments. Qantas probably does have lower costs than BA, but thats probably in no small part to outsourcing maintenance and cabin crew and the creation of Jetstar.
I just spotted the following quotes from AIPAs Capt Barry Jackson:
Who'ya fooling with those statements guys? Now if you'd all start practicing saying your new callsign, "the Speedbird" and ditch that "on climb/descent" nonsense you'll find it's not so bad. See you in Narita for the punch up!
I just dropped in here from the northern hemisphere to see what the Dunnunda view was and it's certainly been an eye-opener; more nationalistic jingoism than solid arguments. Qantas probably does have lower costs than BA, but thats probably in no small part to outsourcing maintenance and cabin crew and the creation of Jetstar.
I just spotted the following quotes from AIPAs Capt Barry Jackson:
Qantas pilots warned today that British Airways should not be allowed to gain control of a merged Qantas if our traditionally high professional standards are to be maintained and called for the Government to maintain the protections of the Qantas Sale Act.
As the Australian public would expect, Australian pilots will stand up to defend those traditionally high professional standards,"said Captain Jackson
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Nice wind up, Carnage. The statement referred to possible slashing of training costs and had nothing to do with BA standards, as much as you guys would like to make that an issue.
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Artificial horizon, you are going to have to get yourself sorted before the next Rugby World Cup! To all you Nigels reading this forum, it is nothing personal you understand, it is just that most Australians from birth, have a inbuilt horror of being dictated to by another country, (especially the UK) we let you win the cricket occasionally, (we would prefer not to mention a certain Rugby Cup), and perhaps you should stop sending your racehorses over to get the big one in Melbourne (its not working) and in aviation matters perhaps you keep your debt ridden motley mob over there, and we will keep our debt ridden motley mob over here. Yours in Cricket. Just heard the latest news on ABC, everybody stop. BA has given us the flick, no doubt recognizing we are impossible to deal with, totally irreverent (though we are nothing like the days when at Speedbird House in Karachi where the two crews thought nothing of belting the sh%t out of each other on occasions) we are now courting Cathy Pacific (well at least it has the rugby sevens) and lives in our neck of the woods. Things becoming more interesting by the day.