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Old 30th Nov 2016, 10:02   #61 (permalink)
 
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When I was younger my parents told me that money doesn't buy happiness, I'm starting to see they might have been (begrudgingly) right!!

Watched aprog. on the box some time ago which was about billionaires and the super wealthy and the question was asked, are the super rich really happy, to which the reply was , probably not, but they are a lot happier than the super poor. The End.
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Old 1st Dec 2016, 08:45   #62 (permalink)
 
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Yep 7;50 an hour, happy as a sandboy and here's me at Swanwick 0n 110000 a year and totally p####d off, what a funny old world
You're obviously doing the wrong sector or (which would explain your p'doff-ness) Approach .

I'm at SWN too and happy as a pig in s*** 95% of the time......

Yes, it's easy to whinge about some of the going's-on but in the grand scheme of things, it's not worth getting the blood pressure raised over. I worry about the things I CAN change and shrug shoulders about the stuff I can't.....


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Old 1st Dec 2016, 18:55   #63 (permalink)
 
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Back on Planet Topic,

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Old 1st Dec 2016, 20:22   #64 (permalink)
 
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One thing for sure, there's not been this many opportunities in the UK industry for a long long time....

If you're in TWR/APC and you're really not happy, now is the time to move on. Plenty of jobs out there!
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Old 2nd Dec 2016, 09:35   #65 (permalink)
 
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Are NATS still doing ADI and APS courses.For some reason there is a big shortage and it's happened quite quickly.Seems more than the usual retirement,sickness,failure to validates shortages.
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Old 2nd Dec 2016, 10:45   #66 (permalink)
 
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I think NATS knew they were going to short years ago and decided It would be a lot easier to get TWR guys during a shortage than qualified En route staff. (Hence dropping the TWR requirement at the college for area guys, to push more through) The Irony is that some of the TWR/APS guys being hired are ones that NATS trained but chopped after failing the Area course years ago.
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Old 2nd Dec 2016, 12:38   #67 (permalink)
 
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Plus they have to find places for the folk who want to stay with the company when they lose contracts. Maybe another reason for not recruiting as many twr and aps recently. And this will only get worse if they keep losing contracts.
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Old 2nd Dec 2016, 19:38   #68 (permalink)
 
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Baghdad...

It's interesting that this thread had an early reference to Baghdad (written supposedly in jest) but no real interest or curiosity expressed by UK ATCOs, whilst many are bemoaning life as an ATCO in the UK. I suppose it's likely because the word "Baghdad" suggests a nasty unsafe place to work but for those of us who've worked there it is / was entirely different than that (somewhat naive) view.

If you do your research you'd find that, from an ATCO's point of view, it's a very safe place to live and work (if you are an expat working for Serco and therefore living in the compound on the airport) and of course an excellent gig to put aside a LOT of money for a year or two (or even longer for some). For whatever reason there aren't many Brits or western Europeans working for Serco in Iraq -- but lots of Canadians, Americans, Icelanders, along with East Europeans, Ozzies, Kiwis, and some Latin Americans (GREAT mix for partying BTW...).

Certainly it's not for everybody but if you're an ATCO looking for change and challenge it's an idea that shouldn't be discounted just because of your initial reaction to the word "Baghdad".

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Old 2nd Dec 2016, 21:21   #69 (permalink)
 
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and of course an excellent gig to put aside a LOT of money for a year or two
So why exactly is the money SO great? Must be due to the reasons, perceived/true/untrue or otherwise associated with Baghdad?

Or are Serco there just particularly generous for absolutely no reason at all?
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Old 2nd Dec 2016, 21:37   #70 (permalink)
 
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Of course it's because of all the reasons / attitudes / risks (perceived or real) regarding Baghdad. Neither I nor anyone else would suggest otherwise.

And Serco (as with most ANSPs) is definitely not particularly generous.
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Old 3rd Dec 2016, 05:24   #71 (permalink)
 
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I did a couple of years in Serco's unfortunately short lived Erbil contract a little way north of Baghdad and enjoyed it. I'd be keen to go to Baghdad but no vacancies in tower and I'm a bit short of radar experience. I've spent most of my career in tower and approach procedural environments.
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Old 4th Dec 2016, 09:08   #72 (permalink)
 
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Looks like Dubai TWR and APP at DWC are still looking. Heard a rumour that Serco contract in Baghdad was looking a bit shaky.
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Old 5th Dec 2016, 21:05   #73 (permalink)
 
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Guernsey now.
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Old 5th Dec 2016, 22:38   #74 (permalink)
 
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The Serco contract(s) in Iraq have been shaky since the first day (January 1, 2011).

For many reasons (politics, culture, other bidders offering a bit more grease, staffing issues, etc) it has never been a certainty that Serco will get the contract each time it`s up for renewal. And at some point (3 years, 5 years, maybe 10 years down the line) the intent is for the Iraqis to be able to operate ATC on their own. I make no comment as to the feasibility or likelihood of that happening...
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Old 6th Dec 2016, 08:44   #75 (permalink)
 
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Sam,
Yes I agree with you.Perhaps a more accurate way of what I heard was shakier,rather than the normal shaky.
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Old 7th Dec 2016, 05:55   #76 (permalink)
 
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Australian Tower jobs opening up again for their overseas exiles.
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Old 7th Dec 2016, 06:29   #77 (permalink)
 
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Interesting; I wonder if they'll begin recruiting non-Australia/NZ residents anytime soon?
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Old 18th Jan 2017, 19:03   #78 (permalink)
 
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Southend recruiting

Southend are looking for an ADI/APS rated ATCO.
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Old 18th Jan 2017, 20:26   #79 (permalink)
 
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Hawarden recruiting again
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