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Old 15th Dec 2012, 11:34   #1 (permalink)
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NAT HF Phraseology

Does anyone have a guidance document like CAP 413 on what should be said to HF radio operators on initial check etc.

Thereís a bit of guidance in the NAT Doc 007. Position reports etc.

I was flying the other day, a couple of carriers checked in with Gander Radio and threw a few buzzwords at the operator, CPDLC, Shanwick next, request frequencies etc. On both occasions the operator came back quite annoyed requesting call sign only. Thatís fair enough, but whereís this written? Iíve asked colleagues and most arenít clear on it either and I canít find any references on the net.

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Old 19th Dec 2012, 07:30   #2 (permalink)
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Its not that difficult but you need to be clear on which boxes you are ticking.
Below is a summary of some of the procedures (i really can't be bothered citing all the authorities).

This,for example,eastbound:
On first contact with all CPDLC facilities, (on either VHF or HF), the CPDLC
suffix must be added to the flight callsign e.g. Montreal Centre Barnburner123

If entering another Oceanic CTA/FIR this must be stated:
e.g. Gander Radio,Barnburner123 CPDLC, Shanwick next, SELCAL ABDC.
Iceland - If the next CTA/FIR is domestic airspace, the NAT exit point/domestic entry point must be stated:
e.g. Iceland Radio, Barnburner123, CPDLC, exit DARUB.

Take a look at ICAO NAT Doc 007

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Old 19th Dec 2012, 13:44   #3 (permalink)
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Whatever HF operator over the atlantic you are talking to, try call sign & frequency first, and you might ie add "position" if you intend to do a position report, but nothing more than that. This gives the operator time to switch to the correct frequency and prepare for you. He's not a controller, he's an operator monitoring multiple frequencies at the same time.

Once you get the get the "go ahead" from him/her you can throw in whatever you want to do/know. You will notice that on many occasions he already knows what you're after, and throw you some freq's and a selcal check without you having to ask for it. Things like CPDLC you do need to add though, because that' something they cannot know (as far as I've been told)

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