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Old 6th Feb 2013, 03:23   #2441 (permalink)
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You'll still be looking at 5 years. And then to be able to move on, there has to be enough other controllers at that tower for you to be released. I also work en-route and love it. I guess one of the other big differences is, with enroute there's a good chance you'll never see the planes you work with. I'm lucky that I do arrivals into Melbourne so I can sometimes see my sequences come in to land.
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Old 6th Feb 2013, 13:27   #2442 (permalink)
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hey guys,
I have received an email yesterday, about the experienced controller which told me that I have not meet ASA's requirement.
I have working as a tower controller at an airport which has 700+ landing and take-off, using Euro-cat, 4 years working experience.
And I just wandering, why not even let me attend to online test?
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Old 6th Feb 2013, 13:49   #2443 (permalink)
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Silicon r u a saffer?

Just curious.....
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Old 6th Feb 2013, 13:55   #2444 (permalink)
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Airservices Australia Psychometric Testing

Silicon I have 13 years working experience and worked at various airports that use eurocat and that are busy. I have a commercial pilots license and an instructor rating for both jobs and 600 flying hours. And I also didn't get it. I suppose with so many applicants for not that many posts they can pick and choose as they want hey! Sorry to hear hey. Maybe next time!
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Old 6th Feb 2013, 14:54   #2445 (permalink)

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Medical Class 3

Hi all!
I've just recently applied for the Air Traffic Controller.

Should I wait for them to inform me to get the Class 3 Medical Certificate or I should just get one first just so it doesn't delay any other application?

And can anyone let me know what is my next step after the application lodged.

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Old 7th Feb 2013, 05:59   #2446 (permalink)
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ArthurLee- I'd go back through this forum and have a read. Its been asked and answered pretty recently.
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Old 7th Feb 2013, 08:33   #2447 (permalink)
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the same email i got today mate.... i thought that they'll give us a chance to get the online test. but i wonder that the quota been enough at the moment.
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Old 14th Feb 2013, 03:08   #2448 (permalink)
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Skyfall....check ur mail over next few days...they have come back again and offered tests to my mate who was previously told he didn't make the short list....maybe just tidying up? Good luck!
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Old 18th Feb 2013, 02:20   #2449 (permalink)
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Hey guys
I'm starting at the academy next week. Just wondering if anyone else is in the same boat. Pretty nervous to be honest as I haven't studied since I left High School so not really sure what to expect. If anyone else on the same course needs somewhere to stay for a week or 2 just let me know, I have a spare bedroom at my place and I am 8 minutes away (did a time trial) from the academy.

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Old 18th Feb 2013, 11:02   #2450 (permalink)
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Hey Guy,
Yeh i think im on the same course as you, enroute? I'm all sorted for a place to live, but if youre nervous, best advice is to spend the better part of an hour reading this thread, there is a tonne of great info so you know a bit more about what we're getting into, and what to expect.
I'm living in sydenham so if you're nearby, shoot me through a PM and we'll meet up for a few beers!
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Old 27th Feb 2013, 02:56   #2451 (permalink)
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@arthur, Class 3 medical took me about 2 weeks, I would only get it done once you are told you are suitable following interview. I got it done after I accepted an offer however (I am controlling in a blue suit at the moment)

@silicon, I would ring them up and ask them why you dont meet the requirements, I would assume that they have made an error given the experience that you have. At least if you know where you didnt make the grade you can get on you way to fixing whats broke so to speak. I know a guy In a similar position (20+ years experience in UK) got told he was unnacceptable because he had not exercised his tower endorsement in Australia. Long story short he still hasnt (got a tower endorsement) and has an interview with AsA. I think it depends who reviews your application.

Anyone else on this forum doing conversion course starting 29 April (terminal) and staying at quest? I have a car and can carpool, inbox me if you need.
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Old 28th Feb 2013, 03:07   #2452 (permalink)
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Sat the online test yesterday, apart from the fact that two of the questions had no correct answer there for me to click (emailed them about that one!) it seemed ok, let's see how I go
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Old 3rd Mar 2013, 10:14   #2453 (permalink)
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might be a case of "pick the most correct answer" there. the psychometric questions can be a bit like that. good luck anyway mate
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Old 12th Mar 2013, 22:34   #2454 (permalink)
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Hi Guys,

Anyone else out there on the ENR80 course starting April 15th?

I've just been accepted
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Old 14th Mar 2013, 07:18   #2455 (permalink)
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Hey Darren!

I've been on course for six months but that sounds great - can I move in?!

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Old 14th Mar 2013, 10:39   #2456 (permalink)
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Hey Darren, I fly into and out of MEL a lot, I probably speak to you as well from time to time....I work for a large airline based in the middle east that is presently in partnership with QF....the sound of a deck for beer drinking sounds too good to be true Can I come round, sit on the deck and drink beer? I can sweeten the deal with a few hosties that I'm sure I can drag along
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Old 15th Mar 2013, 06:53   #2457 (permalink)
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Good on ya Butch
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Old 16th Mar 2013, 00:20   #2458 (permalink)
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All four of us on my tower course were pilots and I believe a high percentage of the trainees on one of the current enroute courses are also pilots. So I doubt they are biased against us.
One of the assessors when I did the sim exercise asked me if I was a pilot, because of the phraseology I was using, but he didn't seem to have a problem with it.
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Old 16th Mar 2013, 13:32   #2459 (permalink)
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Like Steve, I know many students from my time at the academy that had pilot backgrounds, therefore I find it difficult to believe that you would be discriminated against for those reasons.

I believe that that regardless of the specific subject of any of the tests on the assessment day, you have to follow the instructions. If they say, "Using the information available, tell me this... or answer that, then if you answer using your previous experience and what you think you already know on the subject, you don't necessarily hit the nail on the head.

They are testing your ability to absorb information, relay it and follow instructions... after all if you are successful they will teach you everything you need to know.

I might be wrong, I don't have any experience recruiting for ATC.



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Old 17th Mar 2013, 09:15   #2460 (permalink)
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Jim, the whole point is you're undergoing an aptitude test not a knowledge test. Clearly "leave you pilot knowledge at the door" wasn't stressed enough because what did you do?
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