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Old 23rd Mar 2007, 22:28   #81 (permalink)
 
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Smile Useful info!

Hi there,

Really useful info! Cheers! Could anyone tell me a little more about the second stage? I have mine coming up next week! Is it really just the info on the link that can be used to prepare? I was worried in case this info may crop up in the interview! All advice is much appreciated!
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Old 23rd Mar 2007, 23:12   #82 (permalink)
 
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Anyone else got stage 2 on monday? I'm a very willing tester/testee
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Old 24th Mar 2007, 14:01   #83 (permalink)
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Nope. Week on Monday for me. Currently trying to write down as many possible interview questions as I can think of. Tomorrow I'll have a go at answering them
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Old 25th Mar 2007, 09:45   #84 (permalink)
 
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unfortunately, i was turned down at the final hurdle for the nats training.
if anyone wants any info on any part of the interview/test process i would be more than happy to help if i can.
(i was turned down fairly recently, february)
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Old 25th Mar 2007, 11:55   #85 (permalink)
 
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Hi,

I have the second stage soon and was wondering if the questions that will be asked will be based around the booklet that Im supossed to read up on, or does that info need to be learnt for stage 3 (technical interview)

What sort of questions have other people had asked at the stage 2 interview?

What can I do to prepare for the computer test at sage 2?

Thanks for any help

Clown fish.

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Old 26th Mar 2007, 08:58   #86 (permalink)
 
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clown fish,
the booklet of information that you have downloaded is used in one of the tests at stage 2, therefore it goes without saying that you need to study it, it is also used for the stage 3 interview but in much greater detail.
the computer tests are difficult to advise on, they are one of those things you can either do or you cant. they are fairly straight forward(in my opinion)
good luck with it
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Old 26th Mar 2007, 14:42   #87 (permalink)
 
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Cheers Bob,

Got the booklet sorted out now, just nervous about the structured HR interview now.
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Old 26th Mar 2007, 21:15   #88 (permalink)
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Old 27th Mar 2007, 06:42   #89 (permalink)
 
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Can anyone who has sat the motivation paper from Stage 2 this week provide an insight into it compared to the Stage 1 one?

How many questions is it? Are they multiple choice? Is it on paper or computer?

Any hints on particular bits of the document to gen up on?

How was the HR interview? Is it really as structured as they say?

And what were the computer tests like?

Thanks
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Old 27th Mar 2007, 09:12   #90 (permalink)
 
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Why don't you just come out and ask for all the answers!
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Old 27th Mar 2007, 09:41   #91 (permalink)
 
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That would be cheating, and I have got some intelligence enough to learn the document!
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Old 27th Mar 2007, 17:37   #92 (permalink)
 
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Hello there!

A slightly more helpful answer I hope: The second of the motivation papers is slightly more difficult and does tend to test the details given in the document - including frequencies. It also requires you to answer some more mathematical problems. It is similar in length to the initial. Best advice, just learn the ENTIRE document. You'll need to know it at some point anyway!

The HR interview isn't too bad. It's an hour long with a member of the HR team. They don't smile, don't really react to anything you tell them. They merely have a bunch of questions and a list of possible answers. They'll stop you once they have got an answer that is similar to yours.

The computer tests are hellish! Can't really describe them without enducing a hell of a lot of fear on your part. They're horrible, but manageable. Just prioritise and don't let it stress you out too much! It's around 30-60 mins long and you can take all the time you want. Also, you can practice before hand. I'd recommend making sure you know exactly what you're doing before moving on to the actual thing! lol.

Hope this helps, Ricky.
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Old 27th Mar 2007, 17:48   #93 (permalink)
 
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Ricky, I was merely stating that some people are coming on here and pretty much asking for the answers to the tests!!

Not cheating but not far off!

If, a big If, you and your friends make it to live training then you are going to be expected to use a lot of your own brain to go and find out the stuff for yourself, no website to help you learn the MATS part 2 I'm afraid!
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Old 27th Mar 2007, 22:21   #94 (permalink)
 
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Thumbs up

Did stage 2 yesterday, found out I got through today.. amazing turn around time!! Didn't expect anything for weeks..

I was utterly convinced I'd failed the computer tests, so just goes to show!
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Old 27th Mar 2007, 23:16   #95 (permalink)
 
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Hey Kazzy,

You said, you "have got some intelligence enough to learn the document!",

...But beware- I learnt that document backwards and still got baffled on some of those Q's. Some of the later Q's are lengthy D-S-T scenarios, and in retrospect I would have been better off reading&answering those first! [my brain was getting frazzled at the end... mind you the HR lady came back a little late and we had a few extra minutes to complete!]

Going back to what I said about 'knowing' the document... You sometimes THINK you know it, but until you start attempting questions you dont realise how tricky it can get... So try and make a few up beforehand etc to get into the answering frame of mind rather than... 'yeah, I know what VOR stands for!'.

Ricky is right about the computer tests, mind you I have heard that they dont rely on them too heavily [but dont take MY word for it]...
He's a lickle wrong about the 'They don't smile' image... I got a few cheeky grins outa my designated lady... With a giant chess set sitting outside the atmosphere was asking for us to burst out laughing [CTC only].

But as always- expect the worst and you will do well in any situation.

There is one other place that you can find 'all the answers' as Manc says you're after...and thats http://www.pprune.org/forums/index.php

PM me if ya want anything mo' specific...

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Old 27th Mar 2007, 23:29   #96 (permalink)

 
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computer tests, mind you I have heard that they dont rely on them too heavily
Interesting EGMC, where have you heard that?
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Old 27th Mar 2007, 23:36   #97 (permalink)
 
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I would hazard a guess that the factors being tested by the computer tests aren't just what they appear to be testing, but I'm probably wrong

Gonzo - are LL tower visits a possibility at the moment?
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Old 27th Mar 2007, 23:49   #98 (permalink)
 
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Gonzo,

I would JUST like to emphasise the 'too heavily', and more importantly the '[but dont take MY word for it]'.

On my final stage, one of the other interviewees [who is an ATSA], said that the HR guy at his stage 2 told him this.
Specifically the last of the 3 tests, which is like a 1980 Amstrad ATC game- was there in a kinda testing phase to identify any positive correlation towards the success at college.

I wouldnt suggest that any of the testing is not used in actual decisions but I was under the impression that it isn't given such a heavy weight as people fear.

I am of course just saying something that somebody told somebody who then told another somebody ... So a rumour!

Incase anybody has the wrong impression, I would advise to do your very best at everything and assume that every little assessment is critical in the outcome as to weather you get a good email or a bad email.

Yeah Timelapse, I agree- some people thought the 3rd test was a direct ATC ability test because you are essentially seeing a simplified traffic screen... But really it is testing specific skills like prioritising and multi-tasking
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Old 28th Mar 2007, 07:44   #99 (permalink)

 
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Wasn't suggesting anything on your part, EGMC, just curious.
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Old 29th Mar 2007, 11:49   #100 (permalink)
 
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Most people seem to think that they have failed the stage2 computer test. When I did it in October I couldn't wait for it to be over!! Structured interview was not as bad as I thought it would be...probably cos I had prepared for the worst imaginable questions. And yes the rumours are true they are not supposed to smile or give you any sort of feedback but the woman doing my interview ended up laughing at one of my answers....can't remember what I said but it must have been funny!!
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