AAR Meeting 18/10

[Sheikh Your Bootie]

If you've seen the feedback someone is sharing on whatsapp about todays meeting, and if truthful :{:{:{ good lord...

I have a couple of mates who turned down the top invite, anyone on here go? :ouch:

SyB :sad::sad:

[flareflyer]

Enlighten us.........

[777boyindubai]

Just chatted to my buddy who was at the AAR meeting today.

In short, it was a waste of time.

AAR didn't know what the pilots were talking about most of the time regarding demotions, 2 tier pay scales, commuting, and rostering abuse.

He just LIES as these are HIS policies that were implemented after the last group he met.
He basically treated the group with contempt.

It was frustrating in the extreme.

His secretary politely takes notes which will get binned after the meeting. What a farce.

It confirms what we know.

The upper management have lost touch with reality and are micromanaging things below them that the have NO KNOWLEDGE ABOUT.
The implications of their irrational decisions have not been thought through, and they are having devastating consequences.

AAR pleads ignorance to all the points brought up but can anyone be that dumb??

Don't answer that.🙄

In the process of all these decisions they are destroying careers, so folk are leaving in droves.


But the good news is AAR is not worried about pilots leaving as we have too many pilots anyway so EK has no staff problem on that front.

Really???

Does he think we are that stupid??

Other good news is no one in the company will have more than 85 hours next month !!!????

What he says defies belief but clearly displays how out of touch he is with his own company.

I would posit after this meeting of 38 pilots many who attended the meeting were so disgusted they will leave as they were so appalled at AAR’s complete ignorance of the business he is supposed to manage. It is shocking how little he knows.

A totally unproductive day and a waste of a white shirt is how it was put by our colleagues

AAR finished by saying that as there are no unions the management know that the staff are their most important asset.

He must have read that online somewhere but he certainly doesn't believe it or put it into practice.

Its just a box ticking exercise for him to get brownie points from above.

I now truly believe its too late for even Chopper Meuller to intervene.

Game over.........

[Jetkopite]

The game was over long ago... I just wonder how many careers that incompetent so called manager has ruined here in EK...???? The next hull loss we won't be so lucky and blood will be on his hands, hope I am so wrong this time..

[Callone]

I was there and I have to say that was not a waste of time in my perception. He accepted confrontation on different opinion, he was quiete aware of all the policy regarding fleet transfer and new joiners requirements.He accepted suggestion and he put some ideas. He took some commitments with us and time will tell. I personally disagree with some of his opinion but I have to recognize that he his trying to establish a direct contact with us.
He invite us again to write to him.

[montencee]

I was there and I have to say that was not a waste of time in my perception. He accepted confrontation on different opinion, he was quiete aware of all the policy regarding fleet transfer and new joiners requirements.He accepted suggestion and he put some ideas. He took some commitments with us and time will tell. I personally disagree with some of his opinion but I have to recognize that he his trying to establish a direct contact with us.
He invite us again to write to him.

Some years ago I attended an EK Training Captains workshop to do with grading.

In the course of the day we were shown a number of videos of crew managing abnormal events and told to grade them from 1 to 5, 1 being very bad and 5 being very good.

One of the videos was of a simulated rejected take off (the Captain in the film was GN now with EY). It was not managed well and 7 of the 8 TREs present graded it 1 or 2, but one TRE from North Africa graded it 5.

Which just goes to show how several people in a room can perceive what is going on very differently.

[777boyindubai]

Do tell us about the suggestions and ideas, please?

[Callone]

Some years ago I attended an EK Training Captains workshop to do with grading.

In the course of the day we were shown a number of videos of crew managing abnormal events and told to grade them from 1 to 5, 1 being very bad and 5 being very good.

One of the videos was of a simulated rejected take off (the Captain in the film was GN now with EY). It was not managed well and 7 of the 8 TREs present graded it 1 or 2, but one TRE from North Africa graded it 5.

Which just goes to show how several people in a room can perceive what is going on very differently.

With all respect for you and the North African your example is not relevant:
First because of the proportion I was there with colleagues I know and we all had similar perception ( the fact that I am the onlyone writing here does not mean I am the only one with that perception ).
Second because I am not North African

[777boyindubai]

Callone.

Please be kind enough to answer my question above?

I am happy if you have a different take from my friend who was there. But, please share your thoughts?

Thanks

[montencee]

With all respect for you and the North African your example is not relevant...

I'm guessing you don't get the irony in that sentence.

[uba737]

Man its amazing how many times people fall for the same thing over and over and over! Better yet amazing and sad!

[PMASHA]

My buddy confirmed Callone's message. Overall it was a good meeting. He was aware of some colleagues command issues, roster issues etc. There were improvements since his last meeting. Now what has Enry done since his appointment? Enlighten me. Back to my🍺

[X-BleedOpen]

Hi guys,

Can anyone tell me how we can contact AAR?

[Capn Rex Havoc]

PMASHA -

only 9 posts, the first ones were pro the first AAR meeting. Last post back in May to defend the roster compression of rosters (remember - swapping is a privilege) and now after 6 months the next post is again pro meeting. Hmmmmmmm ?? :ugh:

[trent1974]

Just chatted to my buddy who was at the AAR meeting today.

In short, it was a waste of time.

AAR didn't know what the pilots were talking about most of the time regarding demotions, 2 tier pay scales, commuting, and rostering abuse.

He just LIES as these are HIS policies that were implemented after the last group he met.
He basically treated the group with contempt.

It was frustrating in the extreme.

His secretary politely takes notes which will get binned after the meeting. What a farce.

It confirms what we know.

The upper management have lost touch with reality and are micromanaging things below them that the have NO KNOWLEDGE ABOUT.
The implications of their irrational decisions have not been thought through, and they are having devastating consequences.

AAR pleads ignorance to all the points brought up but can anyone be that dumb??

Don't answer that.🙄

In the process of all these decisions they are destroying careers, so folk are leaving in droves.


But the good news is AAR is not worried about pilots leaving as we have too many pilots anyway so EK has no staff problem on that front.

Really???

Does he think we are that stupid??

Other good news is no one in the company will have more than 85 hours next month !!!????

What he says defies belief but clearly displays how out of touch he is with his own company.

I would posit after this meeting of 38 pilots many who attended the meeting were so disgusted they will leave as they were so appalled at AAR’s complete ignorance of the business he is supposed to manage. It is shocking how little he knows.

A totally unproductive day and a waste of a white shirt is how it was put by our colleagues

AAR finished by saying that as there are no unions the management know that the staff are their most important asset.

He must have read that online somewhere but he certainly doesn't believe it or put it into practice.

Its just a box ticking exercise for him to get brownie points from above.

I now truly believe its too late for even Chopper Meuller to intervene.

Game over.........
Did AAR actually say this? No one will have more than 85 hours next month?

I got a sneak peak at my schedule. 91 hours

[777boyindubai]

PMASHA and CALLONE migh oh migh have you boys been busy. I know and implicitly trust my source. Were you really at the meeting and if so, there is really no need to send me a PM asking what I would like to know.

I'll ask here:

1. Are you guys Costa Dwellers.

2. If not do you work in the Bouncy Castle.

3. If not do you work in EGHQ.

4. What do you think of A and what he has done to the pilot populace. What has he done for safety?

No need for a pm. Just tell us. EK have screwed so many good people. The lies, the cheating are legendary in the industry.

People who apply must be able to see the good and the bad. There is now a huge amount of bad. Experienced guys are leaving in droves. I never used to check who was flying my family up until about 3 years ago. Now, I think all of my colleagues who stayed do.

The pathetic attempt of the Costa Dwellers to mask the truth will end at 1500 on Thursday ....

[Callone]

PMASHA and CALLONE migh oh migh have you boys been busy. I know and implicitly trust my source. Were you really at the meeting and if so, there is really no need to send me a PM asking what I would like to know.

I'll ask here:

1. Are you guys Costa Dwellers.

2. If not do you work in the Bouncy Castle.

3. If not do you work in EGHQ.

4. What do you think of A and what he has done to the pilot populace. What has he done for safety?

No need for a pm. Just tell us. EK have screwed so many good people. The lies, the cheating are legendary in the industry.

People who apply must be able to see the good and the bad. There is now a huge amount of bad. Experienced guys are leaving in droves. I never used to check who was flying my family up until about 3 years ago. Now, I think all of my colleagues who stayed do.

The pathetic attempt of the Costa Dwellers to mask the truth will end at 1500 on Thursday ....

Listen I wrote you already that most likely they will send a report of what has been discussed, I ve shared my impression and I do not pretend everyone agree, but I pretend a little bit of respect for my opinion. I am sending you my name and contacts so you can call me. I am not going to post on pprune a full report of a meeting at the 9th floor.

[Spikedog]

OK Callone, can you confirm that AAR said no one will do more than 85 hours, as was posted by 777boyindubai?

[Callone]

OK Callone, can you confirm that AAR said no one will do more than 85 hours, as was posted by 777boyindubai?

He said is the target on 777

[Spikedog]

He said is the target on 777
Ha, ha, ha, that's f*ck*ng hilarious!

[Panther 88]

"But because of operational needs, we are unable to reach our targeted goals. But know in your heart, that's what we are trying to achieve". LOL, they've been trying to achieve this since March, 2009.

[Callone]

You should have said that in the first place Callone because it makes you look foolish when you tell us the "good news" that nobody will have more than 85 hours next month. Unless my sked changes before publishing I will have approx. 91 hours. Better than 95 - 100 I guess. But, I am sure that the "no more than 15 days off in a month" restriction is still there. I couldn't seem to get one NA trip anytime in the month. Had they given me a couple of those with the hours reduced to 91 then I probably would have broken the 15 days off rule. Silly!

Of course some may say I'm jumping the gun since the roster is not published. I'll be sure to report back when it is.

Can you show me where I said good news? Because it makes you look foolish reading somethings and understanding something else.
I just said that in my perception attending the meeting was not a waste of time, is an easy concept also foolish should be able to understand.

[Plane and simple]

Hi guys,

Can anyone tell me how we can contact AAR?

Everyone's details are on groupworld. Even AAR and Herr Mueller.

There are office numbers listed and their staff numbers should help with email address.