Lost and Found EK

[Eau de Boeing]

Does anyone have the right number for lost and found at HQ?

My July roster appears to have gone missing.

Thanks in advance.

:ugh::ugh::ugh:

[DuneMentat]

Don't you need to have something first before it can go missing?

[Wizofoz]

Learn to count to seven.

30-29-28-27-26-25-24

[Eau de Boeing]

Thanks mate however for your benefit mate tomorrow is a Friday mate so they should have been out today. Would that be 7 as in 23-7? :ok:

[moneyhoon]

Was expecting a roster today as well.

[Wizofoz]

Thanks mate however for your benefit mate tomorrow is a Friday mate so they should have been out today.

The OM A doesn't say anything about weekends. Tomorrow is seven days, so that's when they are due.

[aeropix]

Don't you find it telling, that at crew arrivals, before going through "immigration" the "Lost Items" repository is a large Garbage Can? That does seem an appropriate place to find the missing rosters!

[Mach.888]

Learn to count to seven.

30-29-28-27-26-25-24

"No LATER the 7 days BEFORE the end of the month."

Maybe YOU should learn how to count.

[Chewthecrude]

Wiz look and you'll see the rosters on a 30 day month come out the 23rd and for a 31 day month they come out 24th. Have a look in your inboxfor the last year (apart from the first month that they came out and they were early much to JA's e mail to tell us how much better and more efficient the new system was...only for the first month).
It's a July and with so many families away we only want to be able to try and make some plans.
A roster is a huge part of our lives...the planners who make them still work sunday to thursday so it makes no difference to them as they already know what they're doing next month. And the month after. etc

[Eau de Boeing]

Sorry mate today is the 23rd and as you say put a 7 on that.

Gives you 23-7.

Quite a nice ring to that eh?!

[MR8]

The OM A doesn't say anything about weekends. Tomorrow is seven days, so that's when they are due.

Wiz, first of all, the OM-A doesn't say anything... It USED to say 7 days before, but that has conveniently been removed as far as I remember.

Second, don't be a tool: 7 days before on a 30 day month is the 23rd. There is no arguing in that one. Tomorrow would be 6 days before the end of the month. (To be pedantic, more for your benefit then for mine, 7 days would be at midnight tonight, so they still have 4,5 hours to come up with a roster, tomorrow would be too late by the old rule)

MR8

[Wizofoz]

Wiz, first of all, the OM-A doesn't say anything... It USED to say 7 days before, but that has conveniently been removed as far as I remember.


True, I stand corrected.

Second, don't be a tool: 7 days before on a 30 day month is the 23rd.

False.

24th-1
25th-2
26th-3
27th-4
28th-5
29th=6
30th-7

Some of you really need some remedial maths.

[Wizofoz]

Sorry mate today is the 23rd and as you say put a 7 on that.

Gives you 23-7.

Quite a nice ring to that eh?!

Which means that the 23rd is the last day BEFORE the 7 you subtracted- see above.

[MR8]

True, I stand corrected.



False.

24th-1
25th-2
26th-3
27th-4
28th-5
29th=6
30th-7

Some of you really need some remedial maths.

Indeed... 7 days BEFORE the end of the month is BEFORE the 24th, hence the 23rd... As it always has been.

I seem to remember APC has some discounts for summer classes for the kids, you might pick up a cheap math remedial there...

MR8

[Don Corleone]

They are still deciding on which flights to cancel for next month


"My posts are my personal views. They do not represent the views
of my company."

[Wizofoz]

Indeed... 7 days BEFORE the end of the month is BEFORE the 24th, hence the 23rd... As it always has been.


But even when it was in the OM-A, it didn't say that- it said with 7 days notice.

If I give you 7 days notice, today is day one.

Yes they usually beat that by a day or two, and then when they actually stick to the exact 7 days, threads like this crop up.

So, they'd be better off just sticking to the 7 days, and not exceeding requirements, as it only causes people to whinge.

Of course, that means we as a group have shot ourselves in the foot, but it wouldn't be the first time.

[Macrohard]

Roster production dates for 2016

May 24 - (31 day month)
Apr 23 - (30 day month)
Mar 24 - (31 day month)
Feb 23 - (29 day month) ... No comment ...
Jan 24 - (31day month)

I was expecting a roster in the inbox this afternoon.

[Wizofoz]

I was expecting a roster in the inbox this afternoon.

Me too, as they usually come out a day early.

[Fromagio]

My July roster is out on foip, just select the arrow to take you to July. Works on mine anyway. 23+7=30 seems legit.

[montencee]

wizofoz post #17

But even when it was in the OM-A, it didn't say that- it said with 7 days notice.

If I give you 7 days notice, today is day one.

So whatever is being given notice of would commence on day 8.


Yes they usually beat that by a day or two, and then when they actually stick to the exact 7 days, threads like this crop up.


They only beat it when 7 days before the end of the month fell on a weekend, then it would come out on the Thursday. This doesn't happen now.


So, they'd be better off just sticking to the 7 days, and not exceeding requirements, as it only causes people to whinge.

Of course, that means we as a group have shot ourselves in the foot, but it wouldn't be the first time.

Cut and paste, MyMint & Apollo. Thanks fellas.

[Buford]

Wiz is either 'half glass full' or totally EK conditioned 😂. Stockholm Syndrome I'm thinking...

[scandistralian]

@Wizofoz Think McFly, think.

Let's consider the end of the month as being 2359 on the 30th of June.

Then let's consider 7 days as 168 hours.

Subtract 168 hours from 2359 on the 30th of June and what do you get?

2359 on the 23rd.

Consequently, any time later than that, eg. 0001 on the 24th would be less than 168 hours/7 days.

This is a business deliverable, therefore we may appropriately consider the deadline as close of business on the specified date. In this case, a degree of apprehension from our colleagues that roster publication may be delayed is somewhat justified.

[Wizofoz]

Wiz is either 'half glass full' or totally EK conditioned ��. Stockholm Syndrome I'm thinking...

Well, you may be interested to know that the absolutely awful roster that DID come out last night is my second last one at Emirates.

BUT that doesn't stop me from doing what I have always done- point out when people are talking rubbish.

There have been plenty of legitimate, very serious problems at EK- sufficient to see me leave.

But time and time again, the actual, structural problems get drowned out- and not just here- by people caught on the "Whinge Olympics". The zeitgeist is to see who can find the most to complain about, interpret any change or any action negatively, and rush to PPRUNE or other oulets to display how clever he is at being the first to come up with a new moan.

This is a great example- as it turns out, rosters where on time even by the more generous interpretation of "7 days" (though I maintain that, after 10 years here, they have occastionally come out ON the 7th day before hand and, when questioned, scheduling have said that is there deadline), yet there are two threads bitching about a non issue.

Why should mamnagement NOT think of us as a bunch or prima donnas, when all we DO do is bitch about everything?

Pick your battles, that is all I'm saying.

[Monarch Man]

Wiz, the trouble with your logic is, it's logical! The structural and glaringly obvious issues that stand out like the proverbial pimple on your nose are never addressed, nor are they even acknowledged. Recently my better half had occasion to have a chat to several ladies who work in various positions in the bouncy castle, the consensus being that EVERYONE knows the problems, however, the very person at the top could not give even 1 sh1t about his underlings, nor does he have any intention of changing. Everything else is an illusion, and hence Wiz people do feel helpless which is why minor things become larger things on PPrune. Our only recourse, as you are doing is to leave....after all why would anyone feel any sense of loyalty or pride working in place where the concept is actively discouraged through the higher ups action and attitude.

[Wizofoz]

Agree entirely, MM, with one additional thought- It is quite deliberate, and by that I mean not malicious, but simply what is thought to be good business practice.

Being involved in the exit process has been illuminating. The "higher ups", and I include all the way to HH, are happy to lurch from crisis to crisis on the basis that bandaids are cheaper than bricks and mortar.

If they can just hold on until the companies size is at a level where growth become incremental, they are in a better position than if they implement the type of structural changes that would lead to stability but cost money.

A disgruntled staff and losing experienced personnel is just part of the cost of doing business.

BUT a clearly articulated, sane set of grievances is more likely to at least gain some concessions than a general background noise of pointless whinging.

[Aluminium shuffler]

I'm not interested in the maths argument, I just love the title and first post. It gave me a good chuckle. :D

Now that you have found it, are you sure it wouldn't be better for it to still be missing?