mattpilot
11th Jun 2002, 17:38
Hi there, i got a question for you ATC guys.
Hypothetically speaking (in case there are any FAA inspectors :cool: ), lets say i'm headed Direct to a Class D primary airport as instructed by TRACON with intentions to land. According to the FAR's a pilot may not enter Class D airspace without prior establishment of 2-way radio contact with the "controlling ATC facility". I am assuming the controlling ATC facility of the Class D airspace is the ATCT of that airport. Correct?
Again, hypothetically speaking, i am headed for that airport and about 1 mile before the Class D boundaries i question the TRACON controller because he hasn't handed me off to the Tower yet. Technically i can't enter Class D airspace because i haven't contacted Tower yet. Correct? Anyhow, Bob the TRACON guy as i call him, just repeated his instructions he gave me before. Fly Direct to the field at 3000ft (100ft below Class D top).
Now the Important question: Do i have to circle outside of Class D airspace until he hands me off or am i to procede as instructed?
The same goes for Class C airspace. I was once instructed to Fly through the Outer shelf of Class C by the TRACON controller. Again, am i to circle outside, fly around, or wait till he hands me off?
I guess the ultimate question is, can a TRACON, or CENTER for that matter, controller give me clearence into other controlled airspace that he actually doesn't control and continue to instruct me in that 'other' airspace; and does talking to one of these controllers fulfill the requirements of the regulations that say i have to establish 2-way radio contact with the "controlling ATC facility" ?
Sorry for making this all confuse :) .
Before i forget, this is a VFR day scenario in the USA.
Thanks for clearing up this issue.
Hypothetically speaking (in case there are any FAA inspectors :cool: ), lets say i'm headed Direct to a Class D primary airport as instructed by TRACON with intentions to land. According to the FAR's a pilot may not enter Class D airspace without prior establishment of 2-way radio contact with the "controlling ATC facility". I am assuming the controlling ATC facility of the Class D airspace is the ATCT of that airport. Correct?
Again, hypothetically speaking, i am headed for that airport and about 1 mile before the Class D boundaries i question the TRACON controller because he hasn't handed me off to the Tower yet. Technically i can't enter Class D airspace because i haven't contacted Tower yet. Correct? Anyhow, Bob the TRACON guy as i call him, just repeated his instructions he gave me before. Fly Direct to the field at 3000ft (100ft below Class D top).
Now the Important question: Do i have to circle outside of Class D airspace until he hands me off or am i to procede as instructed?
The same goes for Class C airspace. I was once instructed to Fly through the Outer shelf of Class C by the TRACON controller. Again, am i to circle outside, fly around, or wait till he hands me off?
I guess the ultimate question is, can a TRACON, or CENTER for that matter, controller give me clearence into other controlled airspace that he actually doesn't control and continue to instruct me in that 'other' airspace; and does talking to one of these controllers fulfill the requirements of the regulations that say i have to establish 2-way radio contact with the "controlling ATC facility" ?
Sorry for making this all confuse :) .
Before i forget, this is a VFR day scenario in the USA.
Thanks for clearing up this issue.