Have I met the 12 hour revalidation requirement??

[shiningstarofcheso]

All,

I am unclear as to the interpretation of the minimum revalidation requirements of the EASA PPL(A) sep(land) rating, which assuming I do not want to do a proficiency check with an examiner, states

"completing 12 hours of flight time in SEP(land) aircraft including 6 hours as pilot in command, 12 take-off and 12 landings, and up to three training flights totalling of at least 1 hour with a flight instructor or class rating instructor (or passed a class or type rating proficiency check or skills test in any other class or type of aeroplane) in the 12 months before the rating expires"

My rating expires on 28th February 2015. Between 1st March 2014 and today I have 12hrs 10mins in total in my log book comprising:

8hrs 10mins p1
4hrs pu/t from 4 separate flights with an instructor of 70, 70, 60 and 40mins.
Far more than 12 to and landings

I naturally intend to fly a few p1 hours more to make absolutely certain but in your opinion, do you think i am currently revalidated, or do you think some of my pu/t hours will not count?

My point of confusion is on "up to three training flights totalling of at least 1 hour with a flight instructor" as sometimes I do not fly every 6 weeks per club rules and so will take my instructor along every now and again, using this time to build experience eg with a trip to France, to a major busy and unfamiliar airfield.

Regards

[tmmorris]

My interpretation (I'm not an examiner) is no, one of your PUT flights won't count so you will need a little more P1 time.

[Prop swinger]

Yes, you're OK.

The max 3 flights refers purely to the 1 hour minimum with an instructor. If you had 4 x 15 minute flights with an instructor, one of them wouldn't count towards the instructional requirement but would still count towards the required 12 hours total time.

You meet the 12 hour total time requirement, you have done at least an hour with an instructor spread over no more than 3 flights, you have done more than 12 take-offs & landings, you meet the revalidation minima.

You say revalidation, so I assume you have a PPL. The (current) LAPL recency requirements are for 12 hours + 1 hour with an instructor.

[hoodie]

You are fine: tmmorrris' interpretation is not right.

The "up to three training flights totalling of at least 1 hour with a flight instructor" clause is a fairly recent addition, and is to cater for cases where - for whatever reason - a single 60 min sortie could not be achieved, and so needed to be split over more than one trip with the same instructor.

You've more than managed your 1 hour with a single instructor, which is fine - it's a minimum only.

[shiningstarofcheso]

Ah I understand now - so my 4 pu/t hours from four flights with the same instructor covers off the at least 1 hour from a total of 3 flights requirement, and then some further additional hours towards the total of 12.

The wording is unclear and reads as if you are only allowed to have 1 pu/t which didn't make sense!!!

Cheers

[Mach Jump]

Yes. What you have done already is fine. Just put in the 'Remarks' column what form of training you carried out, and make sure the Instructor signs the entries in your logbook, so that when you show it to the Examiner he has more than just your word for it! (You can revalidate now without affecting your original expiry date, so don't leave it too late!)

The 'no more than 3 flights' bit is just to prevent people counting lots of very short flights towards their 'hour'.


MJ:ok:

Ps. Welcome to PPRuNe:)

[Whopity]

do you think i am currently revalidated, Definately not! You have the required experience but until an Examiner signs your licence you are NOT Revalidated! Should you acciudentally let it go beyond 28th Feb then all the experience is worth nothing, so do as MJ says and get it signed now. As soon as you have the experience it can be revalidated, there is no point waiting.

[dublinpilot]

do you think i am currently revalidated

To be absolutely clear, because others have made this mistake, you are NOT currently revalidates.

You have met the experience requirements for revalidation but to be revalidated you need to get an examiner to sign the revalidation section of your licence before your current class rating expires.

[BEagle]

Incidentally, the UK CAA's 'not more than 3 flights and all with the same instructor' clause will probably change under the latest EASA NPA - to become 'refresher training of at least 1 hour of total flight time with an instructor. Applicants shall be exempted from this flight if they have passed a class or type rating proficiency check, or skill test or assessment of competence in any other class or type of aeroplane.'

So, no limit on the number of instructors or maximum number of flights - which should make things easier for many.

[shiningstarofcheso]

Gosh thank you - to be honest that's a fair point about getting the sign-offs in place in a timely manner. My next flight is booked for late Jan and I know the examiner at my club doesn't work that day so I'll def be arranging a different date in case they are off on vacation.

I find it harsh that a sign-off post 1st March would mean the last 12m experience counting for nothing in the eyes of the caa but can easily see how that happens.

[Maoraigh1]

You could leave the logbook and paperwork for the examiner to deal with