Wondering what everyone is paying for 100LL

[B19]

Hi


Just wondering what everyone is paying for 100LL. Were I live in Juneau, AK, AV gas is around $7.00 US/gal. Premium auto fuel is around $4.50 US/gal.


My O-320 E3D is rated for premium auto fuel. I have never used it because of the hassle in lugging around 6 to 7, 5gallon jugs of fuel and the pain of fueling plane that way. I also feel the chances for contaminating fuel is greater.


Also heard if you run auto fuel you should mix it 50/50 with 100LL?


Comments


:)


Happy flying

[chevvron]

forums.flyer.co.uk in the 'ATIS' section.

[Sam Rutherford]

Avgas delivered to aircraft, North Pole - our current price is $107/gallon.


Taking orders now. (seriously!)


Fly safe, Sam.

[Chilli Monster]

Average UK price equates to $US 11 / US Gallon

[piperboy84]

Uk avgas price?

Arm and Leg, plus your right nut (or VAT as the government calls it)

[phiggsbroadband]

In Shropshire UK, the Avgas has reduced from 1.76 to 1.68 pounds per litre.
Road petrol and diesel prices have also fallen 0.20 pence per litre to about 1.20.
World over production is the chief cause, and the downward trend is likely to increase further in the next few months, as petroleum producers shop around for the best deals for their bulk supplies.

[ChickenHouse]

Yesterday I payed USD 7.86 per liter for 100LL ...

[150 Driver]

£1.89/l in Suffolk

[9 lives]

Normally around home, just under $2 per liter, though last summer in far north Quebec, just over $7 per liter, and I had to buy by the drum. But the drums are taken 165 km, 5 at a time in the dead of winter, so they are there by pre order for the following summer, so the price sounds like a deal when there is simply no avgas further north on the continent!

'Sure makes me appreciate putting mogas in my other plane though!

[Chilli Monster]

Step Turn - the price plummets dramatically if you go further north to Nunavut. Still have to buy it by the barrel, but a lot cheaper than the Québécois of Kujjuaq charge!

Phiggs / 150 driver - the original poster is from Alaska - your posts probably mean very little.

[9 lives]

but a lot cheaper than the Québécois of Kujjuaq charge!

I was at Rapid Lake Lodge, very near the Labrador border, where Avgas was positioned for us. I did consider flying back to Schefferville, or over to Kujjuaq for a lower cost, but the cost of flying there made it unworthwhile. I happily paid the price, to have it exactly where I needed it.

[thing]

It's around £5.60 per US gallon from the tanker here in UK depending on how much you buy and airfields up this end are charging around £6.50-£7.00 a gal. Don't know what the pound-dollar exchange rate is at the moment, but it hangs around the $1.55 mark so you can work it out roughly from that.

I have a diesel car and it's around £4.60 a gallon at the mo.

In fact looking at your figures B19 we are paying roughly pound-dollar equivalent, so we are paying around 50% more.

[Silvaire1]

£1.89/l in Suffolk At current exchange rates and for the OP in Alaska, that's $11.23 USD/USG in Suffolk UK, and $9.98 USD/USG in Shropshire UK.

(The Suffolk figure is 2.5 times today's price at my local mainland US airport - the local price is dropping like a rock these days. The Alaskan price is higher, presumably due to the distribution cost)

[thing]

£1.89 is dear. Just checked one of my local airports, Nottingham and it's £1.53 a litre or $9.10 per US gallon.

[B19]

Thanks for posting, I was just curious what fuel cost were around the world. Even at a cheap rate of $7.00 per US/Gal I am glad my O320 only burns 10Gal/Hr


Safe Flying

[piperboy84]

An o320 averaging 10gph seems awful high, I run my o360 at 2350rpm leaned and average around 9gph.

[Tinstaafl]

Just got our price notification today, here in Orlando, FL. It's a company fleet rate so somewhat cheaper than the posted rate. We pay US$3.75/USG for 100LL.

[Pirke]

With the current exchange rate of euro to dollar, 1 USG would cost about $17 in The Netherlands. Lot's of taxes...

Mogas sells for about $10 / USG.

[B19]

Piperboy84---10gph is what I use for flight planning. POH says 8gph @ 2500rpm, @ 2500ft. I am close to that.

[Binners93]

£1.84p/l down here in Shoreham. Equates to £6.95/USG ($10.89). That plus a landing of £31.20...:}

[Jan Olieslagers]

Not paying for the stuff at any price. Mogas does nicely.

[Silvaire1]

Avgas is actually wonderful stuff, the quality stuff in fact when compared with whatever else you might be burning. I left some sitting for three years once and had no problems with it - it was seemingly good as new, not withstanding the recommendation to use it after a year. I also drained the 100LL from a tank once and two days later hid it behind a couch in the living room to store for a period - with no smell whatsoever evident because it leaves no residue. Try that with auto fuel or (yeeeech) diesel.

Meanwhile if I accidentally leave any of my 'fleet' sitting with the horrendous alcohol, toluene and benzene stuff they call auto fuel in 2014, it gells, clogs everything in sight and takes time to fix. I spent three hours last weekend cleaning the pilot jets on one of my motorcycles after two months storage... which is really not how I like to spend my weekends!

Ergo, I love Avgas ;)

[fireflybob]

£1.89 is dear. Just checked one of my local airports, Nottingham and it's £1.53 a litre or $9.10 per US gallon.

Also it's a free landing if you uplift a minimum of 50 litres.

Fill your boots...or tanks.

[B19]

So do you all have to pay for each every time you land at a different airport. So on a 3 stop cross country you would have to write 3 checks one for each stop? If so what do they charge for a landing fee?

[fireflybob]

So do you all have to pay for each every time you land at a different airport. So on a 3 stop cross country you would have to write 3 checks one for each stop? If so what do they charge for a landing fee?

Yes (unless you have a special arrangement, like you're based there and have hangarage and/or unlimited landings in a block fee).

So yes on a 3 stop cross country you'd pay at each place - cash/card or they may invoice but often cheaper to pay cash.

Landing fee depends but for a typical single (PA28/C150 etc) at a general aviation field it's £10 to £15 but there are big differences.

[Jan Olieslagers]

Some charge more, some less... and checks are only used in certain countries (France comes to mind) and ever less - at most places it is either cash or plastic money.

In many European countries, there is a tradition for microlight fields to offer free landings - with "free" in the double meaning of no pay AND no restrictions apart from the legal.

Other fields will always charge a landing fee, in my own lucky country it is often a symbolic 5 euros but in the UK and in the Netherlands the authorities try to force aerodromes to be economically self-supporting companies which forces them to charge rather more. Plus there may be legal requirements like for fire fighting equipment or certified radio operators. AFAIK only France still keeps up the concept of publicly funded aerodromes like I understand you have in the USA.

BTW what was meant by "you all" is not entirely clear, I can only speak from my own position. What things are like in Latin America or Asia or Africa I have not the faintest idea.

[B19]

Jan O - "you all" is a term used mostly in the S.E. US and is used when addressing 2 or more people(folks). "Hey how are you all doing"

As far as paying for landing I have only had to pay a handful of times flying in the US and Canada.
Landing and overnighting in Seattle, WA, US (KSEA) was $25.00. After a nine hour flight in my little Beech it was worth it.
White Horse, Yukon, Canada (CYXY) was $30.00, for and overnight.
My home field Juneau, AK, US (PAJN) is free, Part 121 and Part 135 carriers pay of course. They keep fees low for General Aviation!!!

Fuel just went down to $6.72 US/Gal.

So normally were I fly if you overnight you may have to pay, if you gas and go its freehttp://www.pprune.org/images/infopop/icons/icon7.gifhttp://www.pprune.org/images/infopop/icons/icon7.gif

[Pirke]

Landing on a grass strip is already 25 euro or more in The Netherlands...

[Jan Olieslagers]

Yes, such is the sad state of affairs. The net effect is that, though NL is my nearest neighbour country, I have never flown there, while I do have been into France and Germany. Likely to remain like that, except possibly for a visit to an avionics shop at EHMZ.

@B19: this place being international, even if most participants are from the UK, I would find it polite to avoid linguistic regionalisms. Thanks for understanding.

[B19]

Reading the posts has me wondering what it would be like to fly around Europe. Are the airports manned? Meaning is there always a controller, to give airport advisories during normal operating hours. The other question I had is English a standard language used when flying in countries like Germany, France, Spain, .........

[Silvaire1]

B19, there are many differences in aviation between European countries. They all grapple with overregulation and mostly the infrastructure is private or fee-based. Beyond that there is limited uniformity.

English is used at international airports but often the local language is mandatory at local airports - so people don't have to learn a foreign language to be a pilot. ATC and similar is substantially different between countries. Some have pilot-controlled airports like in the US, and airports that people can use 24 hrs a day. More often there are opening hours, some form of ATC requirement, and flights must be recorded for the purpose of government audit. In Germany for instance no flying is permitted unless from a permitted airport with a 'flugleiter' (flight leader) or ATC observing the operation. VFR chart quality and uniformity is generally poor. Flight plans are generally (but not always) required between countries despite no border controls for travelers moving between the same countries on the ground. As a result there is a tendency for any long distance flight to be done with continuous ATC contact (something like US Flight Following) even when VFR.

So long distance GA flying within the EU is possible but procedurally complex. Some people find IFR to be the solution, because its puts the plane in the system and ATC has to find a routing. The downside is that requirements for both pilot and plane in European IFR are 'over the top' which drives the costs way up. The upside is that relatively short distances put the plane in completely different culture, so there are rewards for those patient enough to deal with the bureaucracy and able to spend the money.

Hope that is of some use or interest.

[B19]

Silvaire1--Very interesting. Don't ever think I will get the opportunity to fly in Europe, but it is interesting to hear about the different regulations. I do get into Canada from time to time. Seems like US customs put you through more of a ringer than the Canadians. Last time I Flew into Juneau, AK from Canada I had to park in the "Blue Square" and remain in the plane until customs officer arrived!!! Thanks for the input.

[Jan Olieslagers]

@B19: I have never flown outside Europe, actually I have never left Europe in any way, so I can't really compare. But it seems obvious that, compared to the US, or to Canada, Europe is a smallish place, with lots of local differences. Some countries always use English in the radio, mostly the smaller and Nordic ones. Bigger and/or more Southern countries mostly use local language plus at the larger fields English too.

Some countries (Germany, for example) oblige aerodromes to have a (licensed!) radio operator, though this person would not be called a controller unless at a controlled field. OTOH French authorities do all they can to make life easy for aerodrome operators, so that most fields merely have a published "air to air" frequency where blind calls are expected.

And don't even think of flying into Russia, where altitudes are in metres and wind speeds in metres per second.

[Prop swinger]

It's not bureaucracy that drives up costs, it's the total lack of federal funding. Most larger European airfields are private businesses. They pay corporation taxes, local taxes, they pay for runways, taxiways & hangars, all the staff at the airfield, inc ATC, work for the airfield. They pay for all of this by selling fuel & charging landing fees, hangarage, etc. Like most businesses they will shut down during those hours when there's not enough traffic to justify the costs of remaining open. I've never heard of a "government audit" of aircraft movements but, like any business, airfields will need to keep & file accounts. Some may also have planning ("zoning") requirements limiting annual movements.

Then there's a loooong tail of smaller airfields run as clubs or small businesses, each with their own modus operandi which in practice just means you ask first.

Flight plans are mandatory for flights that begin & end in different countries. Most of continental Europe (at least the western parts) are in a customs union. The UK isn't, so customs required to & from UK. In practice that means landing at a customs airfield and/or a few hours notice. From Europe to UK you can land in your back garden if you want, so long as you tell customs in advance when & where.

All but one country publishes an IAIP online, detailing all applicable regulations and larger airfield procedures. If, like Silvaire, you rarely venture outside your own personal goldfish bowl you might find this "procedurally complex" but in practice it's relatively simple. Thousands upon thousands of pilots do it regularly witthout a problem.

[rej]

It's around £1.97 per litre at Cranfield (apparently this includes 10p/litre that the aerodrome operator has added).:{

Whenever i land away I uplift fuel to full tanks. The thought of refuelling at home and lining greedy pockets irks me; even a couple of pounds saved elsewhere means that CU doesn't get any more of my hard earned cash

Cheapest I've found to date was Gloucester Airport at circa £1.65 per litre. :ok:

[Chilli Monster]

Cheapest I've found to date was Gloucester Airport at circa £1.65 per litre.

Nottingham - £1.54

[B19]

ALL really interesting, I think I'll do a simple spread sheet in the next day or two with prices everyone is paying and were they are. Got to go change a cylinder on my little Beech today. Have a good day and safe/Merry Christmas.http://www.pprune.org/images/infopop/icons/icon7.gif


Jan O - wind speed in meters per second sounds funny to me.....

[Silvaire1]

Prop swinger, you're clearly correct that the main issue for GA in Europe is lack of government funded GA infrastructure, but that wouldn't be nearly as much of a problem if government didn't charge so much for the GA services they don't provide, and if there weren't redundant layers of regulatory bodies, all doing little except building roadblocks and collecting the taxes you mention in the service of self perpetuation.

You would hope that paying many Euro/Pounds/Etc in fuel tax as a fee to government for every hour flown would provide more services and more effective, joined up regulation, but it doesn't. That makes GA travel in Europe unnecessarily complex, as described. GA flight plans between Shengen Zone countries with no border controls are a pretty good example in my mind.

I do spend considerable time in Europe and elsewhere every year, have flown in UK, Germany, Austria and Italy, hold European citizenship, and pay tax on European income too, just as I'm sure many others here travel worldwide. So "gold fish bowls" are not the issue at hand.

[MaxTea]

Just under AUD3 a litre here.

[B19]

Here is what I tallied for AV gas prices


Where............... Price
Alaska.............. $7.00 US/gal
Shropshire, UK... 1.68 pound/liter
Narirobi............. 7.86 US/liter
Suffolk ............. 1.89 pound/ liter
Canada............. 2.00 dollar/liter
East Cheam....... 6.50-7.00 pound/gal
Nottingham ..... .1.53 pound/liter
Shoreham......... 1.84 pound/liter
Cranfield........... 1.97 pound/liter


Please excuse any misspellings or if I missed you post. I am new to PPRN, have been flying and an aircraft owner for 18 years. Thanks for you comments. Merry Christmas
Bill B. (B19)

[Tinstaafl]

Price is still dropping. Now down to $3.45/gal (company negotiated fleet rate) for us in Orlando, FL.

[B19]

It's funny, Alaska produces a lot of oil but,we never get a good price because they refine somewhere elsewhere http://www.pprune.org/images/infopop/icons/icon9.gif

[Jan Olieslagers]

That's your own fault really, in today's market spirit: either you have not consumed enough, or you have made it too easy to carry in the stuff from elsewhere. Couldn't Alaska have a solid tax on import of end-user fuels?

[thing]

Re landing fees in UK. A lot of airfields band together and have reciprocal agreements so no landing fees if you're a member of one airfield and fly to another on your reciprocal list. Just had a quick look at one of my local clubs and they have 27 airfields on the list spread around the country.

[B19]

Jan O - Population of Alaska is around 750,000 and of that 300,000 live in Anchorage, AK. So yah we just don't consume that much and moving the fuel around by trucks and barges is expensive. That's the price we pay for living were we do.


thing- that sounds like a good deal......

[Ebbie 2003]

Around US$8 to 8.50 per USG here in Barbados from the monopoly supplier for 100LL - I think a very fair price, only shame is that to go anywhere takes up so much of the stuff.

[uniandpilot]

£1.77 at my local airfield

[londonblue]

Given the rather large fall in the oil price recently, should we be expecting a fall in the price of avgas? Has that already happened? Am I being naive?

[LysanderV8]

Gloucester is £1.48 inc VAT and Goodwood is £1.49 inc VAT. I don't know of any other significant recent falls in price.

[rej]

It looks like the current fuel price situation is starting to reap benefits for flying. Fuel prices ay Cranfield have been substantially reduced. A litre of 100LL is reputed to be £1.56 inclusive. Great news; let's hope it's to stay low for a while.

[phiggsbroadband]

Since my first reply, saying the price of 100LL in Shropshire had dropped from 1.76 to 1.68, it has further dropped now to £1.50 / ltr.


Boilerjuice.com says that heating oil is similarly lower in price, just 40.25p / ltr (from 65p several months ago.)

[fireflybob]

Latest prices for Nottingham (Tollerton) EGBN:-

Avgas £1.22 plus vat = £1.47 pence/litre (free landing if uplift 50 litres or more)

Avtur £0.54 plus vat = £0.65 pence/litre (free landing if uplift 200 L or more)

[Echo Romeo]

3 GA fields near to me are still charging around £2 a ltr, poor show if you ask me :=

[Harriko]

Finland:
Chepest place 2.80€/L and for most airfields around 3€/L including taxes.
So it translates approximately 11.50€/USG

[Niner Lima Charlie]

US$4.50 a US Gallon, self service, here in Tucson, Arizona.

Question, in the UK and other countries, do you self service your aircraft, or is fuel pumped from a truck by a line boy? If there is a line boy, do you allow him to add engine oil and clean the windshield?

[thing]

Question, in the UK and other countries, do you self service your aircraft, or is fuel pumped from a truck by a line boy?

Depends where you are. Breighton for instance is self service and card payment. Close by are Sherburn and Gamston where it's lineys that do it for you.

[Echo Romeo]

You've got to be wary of those self service machines. I'll explain what has happened to me at 3 separate airfields. The first occasion it was recommended that visitors entered the £250 limit on the pump, this I did and continued to dispense fuel.

Can't remember the amount I took, about £150 worth of fuel. Some days later I checked my online account which is solely for my flying, and is funded every month. The actual fuel amount was debited, there also being a difference of £250 between the a/c balance and available balance, the result being I'd inadvertently and unknowingly overdrawn.

Exactly 1 week later the 250 was added back to my available balance but not before I'd incurred a charge for being overdrawn, which after some wrangling was refunded. This has happened since, but I always enter the lowest amount, usually £50 which invariably goes missing for 7 days!!
Has this happened to anyone else?