Easyjet MPL 2014 OAA/CTC [Archive]

LastPastthePost

8th Apr 2014, 13:49

I'm also waiting for the FPP results on Friday. If I don't get in, I am in two minds about applying to Oxford for this.

One of the things that they don't mention on the website is that its 100k + VAT. In theory you can avoid paying the VAT by setting up a Irish company but I'm not 100% convinced the tax man would be happy if he did an audit on you.

Last year, it was free to apply to if you had been through the FPP, this year they want another £ 150. They also specifically mention Germany and Portugal as bases this year, if you have ties to the UK this could be a problem.

On the other hand, having the training all in the UK (although I see they mention Phoenix this time around) with a focus on Multi Crew Cooperation is an added bonus. I believe with CTC in the simulator phase you are on a A320 from the beginning vs Oxford where you only get onto the A320 simulators later on.

I have not done the maths, but I would guess over your career you would earn more at Easyjet than British Airways (if the historical time to command and bonus structure holds true). Ie it should take 5-6 years at Easyjet to hit 6 figures GBP versus 15? at British Airways. Your also more likely to get a weekend / Christmas off at Easyjet earlier in your career!

If CTC are providing guarantees then it might be better to hold out for them to open.

G-F0RC3

8th Apr 2014, 16:51

Your also more likely to get a weekend / Christmas off at Easyjet earlier in your career!

Apparently it isn't very hard to get Christmas off at BA. I was chatting with a BA pilot not that long ago (not at Waterside incidentally) and he said to me nobody really tries to book Christmas off as they just don't think they'll get it, and for that reason those who do actually do usually get it. :p I might have misunderstood him, but that's what I believe he said.

I'm not sure about the salaries. What I do know is that after a while in either airline you'll be earning a good salary. And for me the money isn't particularly important. I don't need to earn a six-figure salary to get by in life. :)

Anyway; not to deviate off topic, it'll be interesting to see more information on Easyjet's scheme when it becomes available. :cool:

BigOllyG

9th Apr 2014, 14:57

Good luck to the FPP guys, it must be squeaky bum time for you now!!!

Have you been told when you will begin at your chosen school?

Looks like the OAA Easyjet MPL page is 'down for maintenance'
Has anyone applied to this scheme prior to it closing for maintenance?

Is it true that CTC offer the bond pay back = tax free, and that OAA do not offer the tax break that a bond would provide?

gbean

9th Apr 2014, 16:19

I think we were told September although we don't have exact dates. It's a staggered start as such. Think I'm going to go and have a play in a Firefly to take my mind off it on Friday until the email arrives.

I've applied for the easyJet MPL with OAA, didn't get an email as I should. Left my name and email for a call back which I've not had yet. Have no idea whats going on at all though. Have several friends who are in the same position.

byrondaf

9th Apr 2014, 17:33

sam17, when I was at the interviews last time, the chap at Oxford said he expected everyone to apply to both CTC and themselves. Several people I was there with had applied to both, CTC had their results out first and some were nervously waiting. So, yes apply to both and good luck.

bex88

9th Apr 2014, 18:31

As someone who flies for BA now it should speak volumes that I find myself half heartedly looking at direct entry to easyjet. Good luck to those that apply and to those who join us on the FPP one day you will understand my frustration. Both great companies to work for though

ManUtd1999

9th Apr 2014, 21:01

About a year or so back when the NEC contract was announced, BALPA claimed to 'be in discussions' with EZY re loan underwriting. Anybody know the results of this? Maybe CTC will announce such a scheme? The finances seem to add up and even at a worse case scenario of ~600 hours/year you'd have enough to repay your loan + a livable wage.The only barrier to me applying is the lack of a house to use as security. Underwriting loans would change this scheme from no-hoper to FPP rival in an instant.

vrb03kt

9th Apr 2014, 23:19

Sorry, did I read this correctly? The course costs £100k + VAT + living expenses, therefore works out at something around £125,000?

Wow.

naturals

10th Apr 2014, 19:43

And that's if you can live on circa £10 a day during the 18 months or so you'll be training for. I certainly couldn't do that easily.

ManUtd1999

10th Apr 2014, 20:37

The cost is crazy. A couple of years ago the price was 80-90k wasn't it? It's still the same course, how on earth are they justifying inflation of >10%??

BigOllyG

10th Apr 2014, 22:24

This is a massive commitment that is for sure! You can't fight the power, CTC and CAE OAA can set any price they want as they have a monopoly on entering the industry now, this isn't allowed in any other industry I can think of. However if people are still willing to pay the money chasing the dream then the price will continue to rise.

That said if you want it badly enough and are willing to take the risk this is a brilliant opportunity.

I know people that have come through Oxford and CTC and are now flying for Easyjet debt free having paid back their loans in 5 years.

I personally think the rewards outweigh the risks but you have to do some serious research to be in this position yourself, or have some rich parents that can foot the bill for you.

Good luck to anyone that applies to this scheme (not just on passing selection but on making it through the first few years at easyjet to a point where you are financially stable and relatively secure in your job).

I wonder how many FPP pilots are getting ready to spend the next 24 hours hitting refresh on their E-Mail accounts waiting for the good news. All the best.

wiggy

11th Apr 2014, 05:56

LPtP

Firstly good luck for today.

Forgive the thread drift but with regard to your comments about BA and:

Your (sic) also more likely to get a weekend / Christmas off at Easyjet earlier in your career!

G-FORC3 is correct when he states that it's not that difficult.

Weekends, perhaps. Christmas? Without going into the sub sub specialist subject of "Bidline for shorthaul" I'd point out that:

1. Christmas work is allocated on a points system with credit being given for any previous Christmas(s) worked.
2. Even BA's shorthaul winds down over Xmas and those that are keen to work bid positively to get a standover Christmas Day somewhere of their choosing.....

FWIW I've been in BA over 25 years and never worked a Christmas unless I have wanted too (worked plenty of weekends and over a dozen Christmases though, as we all do).

As a general point from reading the thread yes, BA has got it's problems, as have all airlines...the real world is not as rose tinted as some would have us believe. There is some unhappiness in some areas down to the likes of work load, pay, and stagnation. If someone is "in a hurry", so to speak, I can see the attraction of Easyjet over BA - especially if all your target in life is is a quick command, with all that goes with it, and/or only ever want to fly shorthaul from (hopefully) your local base.

Contact Approach

11th Apr 2014, 07:13

New entrants go onto flex for 12 months then offered perm SO locked at 38k.

bex88

11th Apr 2014, 07:14

Think Wiggy is spot on here and he understands the grating issues the lower end of the seniority list has. There is no answer to it other than to dig in work hard and believe that growth will come from the bmi integration. Christmas off i would say is almost certain but I went through a stage of over 6 months where bar holiday worked every weekend. In terms of rostering it has to be the most unfair and discriminatory system out there and we are working very very hard to make CAP (20+ days some months). If you don't have aspirations to fly long haul I would think BA is no longer the automatic choice.

Contact Approach

11th Apr 2014, 07:17

Man utd1999,

eJ plan to underwrite loans, not sure when. From my email:

"In future, ab-initio pilots will complete a pre-selection process for entry into an easyJet career. New loan arrangements are under development (involving continuing liaison with BALPA) which will help make the overall process more affordable. These measures potentially include the underwriting of loans by easyJet, thus reducing the burden on cadets and enabling better negotiation of interest rates.
The intention is for easyJet to underwrite the loans that potential pilots enter into with BBVA. This will allow access to funding to a much wider group of pilots for the future. It will also allow more flexibility for us to restructure payments to alleviate the financial pressure during the first 2 years, without making significant changes to interest rates or repayment period. The details of the new scheme and implementation details are not yet finalised, but we are making good progress and expect to be able to publish additional details in the next few weeks once we have agreed final terms with BBVA and have consulted with HMRC to ensure the scheme is compliant with HMRC rules."

Contact Approach

11th Apr 2014, 07:24

Many of you may not be aware, eJ also run a separate internal pilot recruitment scheme whereby employees that hold a CPL/IR can apply. Great way for the modular guys to get in. Requirements are:

- 18 months as an eJ employee - with an exemplary record.

- Current CPL/IR

- Valid Class 1

- certain amount of flying hours in past X months. (can't remember figure off top of my head)

eJ will then part sponsor you through the CTC AQC course and TR. (6K i think it is from cadet)

NEC contract offered upon completion.

Not a bad scheme at all!

SWATSON12

11th Apr 2014, 07:37

I am currently on this scheme at CTC, I can confirm that CTC and eJ plan to announce a loan guarantee scheme just like the FPP which should allow more people to apply this year round. Which I think is great news.

Contact Approach

11th Apr 2014, 08:04

Apologies, Flexi is still paid per flying hour until permanent SO is offered after 12 months.

"New Entrant Contract FTA agreement reached.
As with all negotiations an element of compromise was necessary. Whilst we have managed to improve the contracts that will now be offered to those pilots currently flying easyJet aircraft as flexicrew and also those recently employed on new contracts, we feel the most significant benefits will be enjoyed by our future ab-initio pilots. We have negotiated transitional arrangements for many of our existing flexicrew and those who recently signed new entrant contracts.
In future, ab-initio pilots will complete a pre-selection process for entry into an easyJet career. New loan arrangements are under development (involving continuing liaison with BALPA) which will help make the overall process more affordable. These measures potentially include the underwriting of loans by easyJet, thus reducing the burden on cadets and enabling better negotiation of interest rates.
The intention is for easyJet to underwrite the loans that potential pilots enter into with BBVA. This will allow access to funding to a much wider group of pilots for the future. It will also allow more flexibility for us to restructure payments to alleviate the financial pressure during the first 2 years, without making significant changes to interest rates or repayment period. The details of the new scheme and implementation details are not yet finalised, but we are making good progress and expect to be able to publish additional details in the next few weeks once we have agreed final terms with BBVA and have consulted with HMRC to ensure the scheme is compliant with HMRC rules.
Upon completion of type rating, new crews will complete a period of 12 months flexicrew in preparation for permanent entry onto easyJet contracts. This represents a significant change in the company strategy, creates a much more secure environment for our new crews and addresses one of the fundamental areas within the BALPA casualisation campaign.
On completion of the 'flexicrew' phase, subject to suitability, successful new entrants will be offered a Second Officer contract on a flat rate pay scale (currently £38000). No sector pay will be earned on this contract however night stop allowances will be paid. Usual employee benefits will feature within the contract.
On completion of 1251 eJ factored hours and 1 year on an SO contract, pilots will be offered a First Officer contract. This contract will be rostered using the FRV2 rule set (including 144 days off per year – the same total days off as the current 5354 fixed pattern).
Where possible, full-time positions will be offered. Where this is not possible, a 75% permanent part-year contract will be offered. This contract is restricted to 675 flying hours or 1410 duty hours per year. If these limits are exceeded, crew will avail of the daily rate published in the agreement. Exceedance of these limits is voluntary.
Because many more flexicrew will now be eligible for a permanent contract, there will be a transition period this year, with the aim of employing all the additional eligible pilots by the end of 2013.
During the transition period any flexicrew pilot who has achieved 1251 hours and 2 years flying for easyJet will join as a first officer. In addition, any pilot employed by easyJet on April 1st 2013 who had achieved 2000 easyJet factored hours by April 1st will be promoted to SFO, the company will shortly be providing more information to those who will benefit.
Following 2 years as a First Officer and 2501 easyJet factored hours, crew will be promoted to a Senior First Officer contract. This is a default fixed pattern roster contract. If an FO has been on a part-time contract and no full-time SFO positions are available within base, using the normal base transfer rules they may transfer to a base offering full-time positions in the normal manner if they so wish. If crew wish to remain on an FRV roster they may do so.
Upon promotion to command, the normal command contract will apply.
The new contracts will also apply to more experienced pilots who may be recruited directly into the rank of FO or SFO."

LastPastthePost

11th Apr 2014, 09:21

Thanks for the replies about Christmas. So it looks like my Santa Jumper might get another few years use at either BA or Easyjet.

I hope that Oxford get the same BBVA guarantee as CTC. To state it mildly, it would put Oxford at a disadvantage when trying to recruit potential Cadets! Given that easyJets finances are in a lot better shape than British Airways, hopefully the interest rate would be lower too..

Last year, if you passed the Easyland assessment at Luton with CTC and had also applied and got to the last stage with Oxford then you could carry over the "CTC pass" and join Oxford. It looks like the Oxford assessments wont be at Easyland this year, so I'm not sure how transfer would work.

INeedTheFull90

11th Apr 2014, 10:28

New SO salary is £39,200 now

LastPastthePost

11th Apr 2014, 10:35

All my applications have been with Oxford to date, based on the principle that I know more about their tests and selection processes than say CTC / FTE.

But its hard not to notice that CTC do a much better job of selling themselves on Social Media. Looking at that tweet, it was then followed up with one about wishing the FPP good luck with the result.

Their Facebook chats are also very interesting, as well as publishing their student blogs. The blogs give a real incite into to expect as a Cadet and I think that Oxford are missing something by not doing it.

Libertine Winno

11th Apr 2014, 11:24

Forgive me for straying perhaps into MPL vs ATPL territory, but I was under the impression that an MPL can be converted into an ATPL after 1500 hours, which is a requirement if you are to go for a command later on in your career...does this still hold true, or have I been misinformed?! Thanks!

BigOllyG

11th Apr 2014, 11:43

The MPL course will leave you with a 'frozen ATPL' you have to do 1500 hours to get it unfrozen and until it is unfrozen you are not eligible for command.

Hope that clears it up.

P40Warhawk

11th Apr 2014, 12:30

And not to forget, you have only TR, but not SEP, MEP.
So you CAN fly an for example A320, but you are not allowed to fly solo an Cessna 172.

Libertine Winno

11th Apr 2014, 13:56

Thanks for the clarification! Does seem funny that you can fly A320 and not a single engine Cessna! ha

momo95

11th Apr 2014, 14:55

ctc fb page ... "There’s something in the air….we’ll be announcing some exciting easyJet news on Saturday at the Flyer Show in Heathrow, watch this space"

So I guess it's more or less confirmed.

LastPastthePost

11th Apr 2014, 16:38

So BA made my mind up for me. Orange A320s are the way forward..

Filling out a pdf application form is a bit retro though. Next step will be to post it snail mail and include a stamped addressed envelope. Think I will wait to see what CTC have to offer.

For the Cessna point, when you pass your 14 ATPL subjects they give you a full credit for the PPL ground training syllabus. So in theory you could take a PPL skills test after your 90 hours of real aeroplanes before you switch to the sims.

student630

11th Apr 2014, 17:50

FUNDING REQUIRED
We believe in ensuring you have a clear picture of all aspects of the programme and, therefore, we try to make sure that you are not surprised by any hidden costs once you are in training. In order for you to accurately plan your finances and budget through training, the funding required is outlined below.

Selection Fee
Security Bond
MPL Payments
Selection fee: £210

As we deal with large numbers of applicants, the administration cost of selection amounts to many thousands of pounds per selected candidate. We do not think it’s fair to ask only the successful ones to have to pay for all those that apply, so we ask everyone to contribute. We therefore charge you £210 inclusive of VAT to cover the cost of some industry-standard assessment tests. It is vital that we do this selection properly - so that you can be given the best advice about your likely chances of success in your future career and to ensure that we have selected the right person into training. On occasions, when linked to special promotional events, we do offer the opportunity for reduced or free selection. (Please note: for candidates who are not successful at selection, but are invited to re-apply at a future date, the re-application fee is £110.00 including VAT).

The total funding requirement for the CTC WINGS easyJet MPL cadet course is £109,000. This components of this requirement are shown below.

Security Bond: £69,000

As previously explained, APL pay for the majority of your training and associated costs through the CTC WINGS easyJet MPL cadet course. This sponsorship represents a significant investment, hence, exposure to APL. Therefore, we require that you deposit a ‘security bond’ of £69,000 to secure your place on the course. This security bond is deposited in 13 instalments over the period of training and is held by APL until your employment with easyJet.

Schedule of instalments:

Total Bond : £69,000
13 instalments
1st instalment: due when you return your signed contract
2nd instalment one month before the course starts
3rd instalment: due at the beginning of month 5,before you fly travel to NZ or USAto commence flight training
Remaining instalments: at monthly intervals
Bond Repayments

Upon successful engagement on a permanent easyJet UK-based employment contract, you will benefit from the significant and unique process of APL transferring your security bond to easyJet. easyJet will, in turn, repay the £69,000 bond to you in monthly instalments over a period of seven years in addition to the salary commensurate with experience.

MPL Training Fees

You will be required to pay two MPL Training Fees. The first Fee totals £20,800 and is payable before you travel to NZ or USA to commence flight training. The second Fee is due prior to the Advanced Phase of the course and totals £19,200.

got this from easyJet Finance | CTC Wings (http://www.ctcwings.com/easyjet/finance#2) so how does the bond work?

P.s. - Applications open on 5th May

momo95

11th Apr 2014, 22:25

Couldn't agree more Ben. Though i've just had a thought.
Maybe OAA have realised as there's an awful lot of revenue (for almost no loss) to be gained from applicants attending selection days, they want as many people to attend as possible. Rather than setting barriers such as essay questions which reduces the money they make from the whole process as less people attend due to being knocked out.

I still can't see how the fto's justify 230 odd pound a head for a presentation, laying a table with pens and paper for group work, a few computer tests, cold lunch (at ctc) and a half hour interview. Easy money isn't even the expression for it. :ugh:

Don't even get me started on the £110 reapplication fee for the half hour interview i've to repeat, I mean I don't even get my cold lunch in that :(

Chris the Robot

12th Apr 2014, 10:24

The vast sums involved here, not just the actual cost of the course but the fees for interviews/assessments clearly indicate more than just supply outstripping demand. I think one of the reasons for the course fees being so high is the BoE Base Rate staying at 0.5%. If BoE was at 10%, very few would be able to afford the interest on the loan, never mind the repayments!

At pretty much every interview for a "professional" career I've attended (everything from IT to the Merchant Navy) the hiring company has offered to pay expenses I incur travelling to the interview. Even when the odds at initial application have been worse than 50-1, they've still offered to reimburse those who they choose to interview. I have never been asked to pay for an interview/assessment.

Whilst I admire those who want to follow their dreams, the fact that people are being charged to attend an interview/assessment for a training programme designed to lead to a job is, IMHO, just wrong. I genuinely wish the best of luck to all those who apply though.

Stage5

12th Apr 2014, 12:00

£19,200 is certainly cheaper than many 320 TRs have been in the P2F circuit over the last 10 years.

Still paying over £100,000 is a staggering jump to the circa £65000 integrated fATPL in 2005/6.

I love to see a break down of the "many thousands" involved with processing applications through an electronic process.

Perhaps I should be working for CTC at Dibden? :E

Good luck to those applying. It is good to see the MPL is gathering momentum. This industry is incredibly reluctant to change.

GliderPilot94

14th Apr 2014, 19:46

Could someone please outline how the selection process is going to work for this scheme?

I've heard it will all be done on one day, but the wording on OAA's website suggests it will be done over separate dates, with aptitude testing on one day and interview and team assessments on another. Can anyone confirm either?

Also, will successful candidates then go to Luton for further, easyJet specific assessment or will this be done on the same day as the Oxford based interviews?

Thanks.

FL365

15th Apr 2014, 09:13

Just wondered if anybody has any further information on whether it is acceptable to apply to both easyjet schemes this year? I.e. CTC and OAA?

It seems like both schemes are quite different this year? They both have different application windows and CTC appears to be taking more cadets? This suggests to me that it may be okay to apply to both but correct me if I am wrong?

GliderPilot94

15th Apr 2014, 11:52

I've been reliably informed that, unlike previous years, this is no longer permitted. The reason for change is that easyJet were seeing the same candidates at final stage for both OAA and CTC.

fumap

16th Apr 2014, 10:32

I'm trying to find out if it's just me or something is wrong with applications. I used the web-based application and never received the e-mail confirmation. Later i saw their advice to re-apply via the e-mail address and the PDF and i did it on Friday. Now it's Wednesday and i didn't receive yet any confirmation. Is there anyone in my same situation or should i call them to find out what's wrong with my applications?

Stage5

16th Apr 2014, 14:57

I've been reliably informed that, unlike previous years, this is no longer permitted. The reason for change is that easyJet were seeing the same candidates at final stage for both OAA and CTC.

Perhaps this indicates EZY have little oversight of the process as a whole, and finally get involved for the final stage. Other airline schemes are able to avoid this at a much earlier stage.

Runner233

17th Apr 2014, 03:28

I phoned them recently and was informed that they are processing the applications and confirmation emails will be sent once they process it. A lot of people must be applying.

FL365

17th Apr 2014, 03:34

I would agree that it doesn't seem easyjet get involved until the final stage otherwise I think the two schemes would have slightly more compatibility with each other... Because they are both so different, it appears that OAA and CTC have structured the training in their own was rather than easyjet giving them definite parameters. I think it's just a case of choosing the one that you feel is the best option?

fumap

17th Apr 2014, 11:05

Right, they sent the confirmation and next stage informations to me this morning. Probably they are doing as fast as they can, for sure a lot of applications to review.

ASTR0NAUT

19th Apr 2014, 21:27

Does anybody have any information on how the Parc contract stacks up against the CTC contract. CTC post up a detailed benefits package spec, most notably I offering easyjet contract after 12 months instead of 2 years! It would be interesting to see how the two match up!

Also, does anybody have any information on flight training location for the MPL at Oxford? I note that CTC provide their training in NZ like their standard wings course, however, Oxford just states either UK or Arizona for flight training?

Cesc_

20th Apr 2014, 13:46

Any chance of Easyjet underwriting loans this year? I know there was some talk of it but can't see anything on the finance page.

Darren999

20th Apr 2014, 20:08

This has been a good thread to read. Is it a slight advantage if you got a type rating on the jet prior to applying?
I am fully aware of threads saying don't pay for type ratings etc...
Is this a help when applying to easy jet etc?

momo95

20th Apr 2014, 22:14

Darren I think you've missed the point about the MPL. The idea is to take a cadet from having absolutely nothing to a restricted fatpl
with a320 type rating in the shortest possible time. There are restrictions governing experience (or lack of) needed to apply.

eninem

20th Apr 2014, 23:22

Oxford advise no more than 80hrs flight time to be eligible for their MPL. Don't see any restriction on the CTC
site (but I think a type rating would exclude you from both!)

Blantoon

22nd Apr 2014, 14:03

Anyone joining now will accept a lower starting salary, take longer to reach the SFO scale, and will wait a hell of a lot longer for a command: I'd not expect anyone joining easyJet now to get to the left seat any sooner than 10 years after joining, and given the profile of current pilots, it may be CONSIDERABLY longer than that. If I was in a particularly pessimistic mood, I'd say that with minimal expansion and very low attrition rates, it could easily be 15-20 years to command for a new joiner. That is a BA timescale.

Utter rubbish.

SR38

24th Apr 2014, 09:12

Hi,

just wondering if anyone had any information as to the exact criteria that is required to be selected for this programme? Are there any basic requirements that easyJet/OAA look for in candidates that are applying? Any information would be much appreciated.

Thanks:ok:

chocsaway08

25th Apr 2014, 07:15

By the look of things a huge bank balance is an absolute must.

PitotFreeze

27th Apr 2014, 15:58

Hey there!

I've been invited to Stage 2 of the skills assessment at OAA for the easyJet MPL programme, and I was wondering how to best prepare for it. I've been using the search function but couldn't really find a satisfactory answer. If I missed something, I do apologize.

There are a few different online platforms available for training (e.g.: Pilot Aptitude Tests, Latest Pilot Jobs, ...), so I'd be glad if someone could advise me which one, if any, to subscribe to.

Since I'm not from the UK, I would also be glad if anyone could offer suggestions on how to prepare for stage 3 (group exercises and interview), if indeed I pass stage 2. I already participated in another skills assessment, but it was in Germany. I'm pretty sure the emphasis is a bit different in the UK. Any hints about online resources, books or general guidelines would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance for your valuable help!

Ironside757

27th Apr 2014, 19:55

Does anyone know definitively whether or not you can apply to both CTC and OAA? I know there has been some previous talk about this but nobody seemed certain.

Also, has anyone who has applied to OAA been contacted about initial selection stages yet?

ashpure

28th Apr 2014, 10:41

Has anyone who has applied to OAA and not heard yet?

I have applied almost 2 weeks ago (15/04/14) and still haven't heard a jiffy :bored:

I understand that lots of people will be applying etc but wondering if anyone else is in my position?

Are you meant to assume its a no if you don't hear anything after a certain amount of time?

BigOllyG

1st May 2014, 12:05

Hi all,

Could anyone shed some light on the security bond (£69,000) offered at CTC.

I see no mention anywhere on the Oxford site that shows them offering the same bond (although they did for the BA FPP).

In effect without offering this bond it is going to be £69,000 more expensive to train at Oxford than at Southampton (as the money is transferred to EasyJet and payed back in addition to your remuneration package upon your signing of a contract with them). I don't think this can be right otherwise no-one in their right mind would opt for Oxford.

Please could someone shed some light.

Good luck to all applying!

BigOllyG

1st May 2014, 14:13

Cheers for the response, I was under the impression that the wages were the same and the bond was in addition to the remuneration package.

"easyJet will, in turn, repay the £69,000 bond to you in monthly instalments over a period of seven years in addition to the salary commensurate with experience" - got this from the CTC EasyJet MPL finance page.

Where did you hear that the Salary is dropped in relation to this bond repayment?

Danny212

5th May 2014, 19:25

It's all gone quiet on here :oh:
Has anyone heard back from OAA as of yet?

ManWithoutSkin

5th May 2014, 20:37

It took over two weeks for OAA to get back to me. Their stage two assessments start this week.

ASTR0NAUT

5th May 2014, 21:06

By Stage 2 are you talking about the Aptitude Testing?

I was aware that this had begun on the 23rd April and since e-mailing to request carry-over of my previous scores, I haven't heard a reply? Can anybody clarify further?

Ironside757

5th May 2014, 21:47

Aptitude testing is still taking place and has been running for at least a week. The last time I checked the final date available for this was May 15th but its likely that this period could be extended.

BigOllyG

5th May 2014, 22:21

I have also requested to use previous Stage 2 scores and haven't heard anything back yet. I was planning to call them tomorrow to check they received the E-mail. Glad someone else is in the same position though.

I'll let you know what they say.

chris_

6th May 2014, 11:20

I applied over the bank holiday.
Hopefully it won't take long to hear back.

Do they do an initial 'sift' from applying?

LastPastthePost

6th May 2014, 16:55

I noticed that CTC have opened up applications. The big things that stick out to me are:

1. No mention of the expected easyJet guaranteeing the loan. It still states "Security Required: Mortgage over a property in the UK"

2. Like Oxford, no final stage at easyJet HQ. This is a concern as if easyJet have delegated the selection, then do you have to undergo additional selection down the road? Do you have a contract with easyJet from the start like BA?

From my point of view the main difference with Oxford / CTC is that you do the basic phase of the MPL in a A320 simulator (vs a CRJ? at Oxford). I guess you could say thats good and bad. Would be nice to have some experience of something other than a sidestick to base your career on? On the other hand the more time in the A320 the better.. What are peoples view on that?

Also I read that 3200 applied last year, thats only a few hundred less than applied to the FPP. Shows how far easy have come in the last few years..

Capt webee

6th May 2014, 18:33

Hi everyone,

is this recruitment just for JAA or also for international applicants?

chris_

6th May 2014, 20:13

An update to my earlier post.
I've been invited to Stage 2 at OAA.
Needing to choose a date to attend, will need to practice some of the tests beforehand mind.

R T Jones

7th May 2014, 05:25

I can confirm the bond you give ctc is paid back tax free and your salary is dropped by the same amount. So a second officer scale is £38k, if you went through ctc your salary will be £29k. That goes through the taxman then the bond is added on after.
It's a substantial tax saving when you move to the SFO scale. My bond repayment is based on the £60k bond and am about 350 a month better off as a result. Over 7 years thats £29,400 more in your pocket than the government.

LastPastthePost

7th May 2014, 10:36

I just did the Maths on the Finance, with some assumptions about time to command (ie 9 years at easyJet and 18 years at BA). These are based on Oxford's PARC Finances and exclude any tax implication of bond repayments, bonuses and differences in Interest Rates etc.

To summarise:
* There isn't much difference between BA and easyJet in the first 8 years.
* The big difference hits when you get your command at easyJet.
* In the 10 years where you are a Captain at easyJet vs SFO at BA, you accumulate 420k more in pay.
* After 30 years (which is when I would want to retire) the deficit is reduced to 200k.

For me, 1st Class Travel and Long Haul isn't such a big issue. I like my own bed and my own time zone. Likewise seniority is a big negative for me, I'd rather have weekends off when hopefully the kids are growing up than when I'm nearing retirement. Also I think the below highlights that your taking a 400k bet that BA is still around, needs Captains and the pay delta still exists in 10 years time. My preference is that I would rather have the cash in my pocket. The contract is a negative point, but one that I'm comfortable with. The regional point is a positive for me, not just within the UK but across Europe.

I also get your point about wanting to fly for BA. I agree that our generation has been brought up in an environment that people aspire to fly British Airways. Who knows if that will be the case in years to come?

So I think the easyJet MPL and the Future Pilot Program are both great initiatives. Your choice on which one is your preference does probably boil down to your Career aspirations of Long Haul vs Short Haul.

YEAR BA easyJet Deficit
1 45,425 38,750 6,675
2 50,704 38,000 19,379
3 55,982 57,006 18,355
4 63,372 70,396 11,331
5 69,707 70,396 10,642
6 72,874 70,396 13,119
7 75,513 70,396 18,236
8 65,842 70,396 13,682
9 68,171 121,005 -39,152
10 70,500 121,005 -89,656
11 72,830 121,005 -137,832
12 75,159 121,005 -183,678
13 77,488 121,005 -227,195
14 79,817 125,696 -273,074
15 82,146 125,696 -316,624
16 84,475 125,696 -357,845
17 86,805 125,696 -396,737
18 89,134 125,696 -433,299
19 131,035 125,696 -427,961
20 133,590 125,696 -420,067
21 136,146 125,696 -409,617
22 138,701 125,696 -396,612
23 141,256 125,696 -381,052
24 143,812 125,696 -362,936
25 146,367 125,696 -342,265
26 148,923 125,696 -319,039
27 151,478 125,696 -293,256
28 154,034 125,696 -264,919
29 156,589 125,696 -234,026
30 159,145 125,696 -200,578

Notes:
Payscales are based on pilotjobsnetworks and Future Pilot Program Presentation.
BA Drops at year 8 after the bond is repaid
For easyJet I assume 600 sectors per year (ie 150 working days, 4 sectors per day)
I include the current loyalty bonuses for easyJet ie 5, 10, 15 salary.
For BA, I assume a linear progression from paypoint 1 to paypoint 34.

G-F0RC3

7th May 2014, 13:28

Interesting figures LpTP :)

However, I think nine years to command is unsustainable in the long run. Mathematically speaking such times to command are only likely after i) rapid expansion of the fleet, or ii) a mass exodus of flight crew to other carriers.

Realistically I wouldn't bank on making command before the 12 or 13 year mark at EZY; and that's possibly still being quite optimistic. So in reality, I'd be surprised if there was much of a difference in earnings over the course of your career, irrespective of whether you fly for BA or EZY.

Nevertheless, both are great options in my opinion, and anyone should jump at the opportunity to get a position flying for either.

vne10

8th May 2014, 16:39

I was wondering if anyone could shed any light as to definitively whether Oxford's course offers a 'guaranteed' UK base? Their website doesn't have any mention of this, however CTC's does offer a UK base - I would have thought the same terms would apply at both?

Thanks!

vne10

8th May 2014, 17:05

Thanks Ben, that's a shame that they don't offer a UK base. I'd happily work from anywhere if it was just me, but with a young family at school-age it isn't really feasible to live in another European country.

Ironside757

8th May 2014, 20:52

At the bottom of the OAA easyjet application form it says that you could be based in the UK, Germany or Portugal. I know some MPL graduates who have recently been based in Lisbon.

Danny212

11th May 2014, 22:04

Has anyone heard back from OAA yet? I presume it'll be after 15th (last Stage2 testing date).

chris_

12th May 2014, 14:34

Do you mean after attending Stage 2? (i.e. results) or just in general for a Stage 2 invite?

I've been invited for Stage 2 testing, but don't think I'm going to bother now.
Going to hang on until FPP re-opens and go all gung-ho towards that.
:ok:

Danny212

12th May 2014, 17:23

Nope I meant Stage 3. Should've been more clear lol

Stage5

13th May 2014, 11:52

Nice table of figures, but don't forget about income tax. Around £40000 will go on tax and NI when jumping to the circa £120000 bracket. Just over £20000 is lost on a circa £75000 pay band. But that said if pension contributions were say 10% it works out at about £1800 per month difference in take home. I doubt FREA allowance will go up anytime soon after the recent (?) rise.

How will tax/NI/pension contributions change? I love a good guessing game. :}

LastPastthePost

14th May 2014, 10:39

There are some final stage interview / group exercises next week at Oxford.. No doubt the first of many..

Does anyone know the process and timescales for transferring back to the UK if you get allocated to a continental base? (or UK base you don't like). I wouldn't mind spending a few months abroad, but if it takes years it might be a problem..

cky88

14th May 2014, 12:12

are any of you guys going to the stage 3 interviews next week? also do you know how many places are available this year?

ashpure

14th May 2014, 15:46

Its somewhat strange that OAA have decided to push back the deadline from the 12th May until the 26th May especially since this week was meant to be the last stage 2 assessments with stage 3 commencing next week. I'm not sure how this will affect the schedule for the stage 3 assessments!

:(

LastPastthePost

14th May 2014, 17:03

I think with some Airlines, they have a standard, you meet it, your in. As long as it works out to roughly the same number they intended its fine (although sometimes (like the FPP) not enough meet the standard!)

I know last year with easyJet MPL they told some people mid process they made the cut, so they could get moving with the earlier courses. Same thing happened at Aer Lingus.

Did they ask easyJet specific questions at stage 2 interviews? I got a credit for a previous interview so didn't need to do one.

cky88

14th May 2014, 19:10

I have my stage 3 assessment next week, let's hope it all goes to plan

Danny212

14th May 2014, 22:04

Likewise :) Stage 3 next week ..recieved a phone call as emails weren't sending through to some people including myself.
See a few of you there!

G-F0RC3

15th May 2014, 07:17

Good luck guys! :)

Runner233

15th May 2014, 15:58

Has anyone applied to the CTC one?

McMaverick

15th May 2014, 20:45

There are Stage 2s at Oxford up until the 13th June.

saluman

16th May 2014, 08:08

I did, one week ago, but I'm still waiting for an answer..

mclodeon

16th May 2014, 09:08

I did my second stage assessment last week and I didn´t receive any results yet. When did you do your second stage assessment?

Runner233

16th May 2014, 14:02

I can't attend the current assessment dates for CTC, :( hopefully they add new dates. Anyone been to any of the assessment days with them yet?

ben1

16th May 2014, 14:33

Yeah their days are very limited at the moment, and very short notice! I would imagine that some more will open up though. Give them a ring and ask?

Danny212

16th May 2014, 14:33

Stage 2: 24/04
Invite to Stage 3: 14/05

I'd say it's safe to assume an invite to Stage 3 would be made after the extended deadline closes.

fumap

16th May 2014, 22:07

The same goes for me at OAA: attended stage 2 on the 30th of April, invite to stage 3 received two days ago via telephone because of the "faulty" e-mails. See you on the 21st!

Runner233

17th May 2014, 11:53

Ben1: yeah I asked them on thurs and she said she cannot say as it all depends on demand. So I'm just kinda hoping they add at least one new assessment date, fingers crossed lol.

JohnBlair

17th May 2014, 21:26

Once you've attended stage 2, the do contact you? Either you've been successful or not? or just in the case you made it to the 3rd phase?

chillindan

17th May 2014, 22:02

Just out of curiosity looked at the easy jet MPL application form. It asks you for no information whatsoever!?!

Name, address, flying hrs and exam results? How are they supposed to short list candidates based on that? Clearly aimed at early 20 something's I suspect? Where is the section that someone in their mid-thirties can fill in their experience since leaving university?

Interesting...

dontforgetthecowls

18th May 2014, 12:18

pegasus617

19th May 2014, 15:02

I've just been through the CTC assessment day and have heard that I'm on the shortlist! I thought I'd drop a dump of info that I know here in the hope someone finds in useful.
Essentially the day is split up into two halves, morning is "Stage 2" of assessment and comprises of aptitude, group excercises and maths. Standard stuff. You are informed of the results at lunchtime then progress to "Stage 3" which is an interview with either CTC assessor or an easyJet assessor, doesn't make any difference which. They then let you know by email/phone the next working day as to your results. If you pass stage 3 then they place you on a shortlist from which they will select the 36 candidates they want. From the looks of it there weren't many assessment days and one of the other candidates said that they were only interviewing candidates until the end of this week!

Start dates are July, August and September, with the July one starting on the 21st. Has anyone else heard back yet?

left_base

20th May 2014, 08:43

I would hope that CTC open up some more assessment dates given that the closing date for applications was only 2 days ago.

Is anyone else still waiting to hear back from CTC on phase 1?

G-F0RC3

20th May 2014, 09:46

According to the CEO they only want young pilots:
"I believe that it is absolutely vital to easyJet’s future that we have a pipeline of talented young pilots coming through which is why I am delighted we are now working in partnership with CTC Aviation and Middlesex University to offer a degree course for our pilots."

dontforgetthecowls; you're taking his words far too literally and out of context here, don't you think? :p

Firstly, he says that "talented young pilots" are "vital" to easyjet's future, but from these words alone it doesn't follow that they do not want guys who are not so young too; and therefore it can't be concluded that they only want young pilots. Furthermore; young is a relatively subjective term. To some people, someone who is in their early thirties is considered young. And finally, I sense from his words that he's using the term "talented young pilots" as a figure of speech. ;)

Ironside757

20th May 2014, 10:48

Very interesting to hear about the shortlist. I know that CTC have organised another assessment date for the 28th May and there's still the potential for more dates to be added yet I guess.

Out of interest, approximately how many people were there at the assessments at CTC?

dontforgetthecowls

20th May 2014, 14:06

I think its still dangerous to use "young" in this context. Imagine if the release had said "white pilots". Its illegal to discriminate based on Age, just as much as race.

You also assume the CEO was male. The CEO of easyjet is a lady!

Lucky they didn't ask us the Captain in a dress question at Waterside.

G-F0RC3

20th May 2014, 15:11

Thanks for clarifying, I didn't know that. :ok: On a not unrelated point, I was reading an interesting book yesterday and part of it was talking about how northern-hemisphere centric we are. To amusingly emphasise the point some Aussies had created a map of the world where the South Pole was at the top. :p

Won't deviate off topic further. :)

cygair

21st May 2014, 11:06

Does anyone know if it exist some limit for hours of flying ?
For example, I am 25, I have a master engineer degree, 170 hours of flight of single engine piston, as flybe easyjet does not shortlisted me ...
Good luck :)

left_base

21st May 2014, 11:49

I believe that candidates cannot have more than 85 hours flight experience to apply for the easyJet MPL. Not sure if this is true of flybe.

Pischy

21st May 2014, 13:26

cygair: OAA has, as you can read in the easyJet MPL FAQ:
To qualify for consideration under the program, you must have no more than 85 hours of previous powered flight experience as a pilot or student pilot.

cygair

21st May 2014, 13:30

Yes, I have read it ...

But, since on the CTC website, there is no sign of hour limitations, I hoped !

AdrienT06

21st May 2014, 15:13

Hello, what is approximately the graduation rate of selections please ?

LastPastthePost

21st May 2014, 16:25

About the same as most cadetships: small.

The only number I have seen quoted is 89 places for 3200 applicants:

EasyJet supports CTC to keep pilot-recruitment pool strong - 12/16/2013 - Flight Global (http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/easyjet-supports-ctc-to-keep-pilot-recruitment-pool-394170/)

AdrienT06

22nd May 2014, 12:45

And is it easier for others airlines ?

cygair

22nd May 2014, 12:54

ben1 - What is your flight experience ? Your school background ?

cygair

22nd May 2014, 13:15

That is what I expected ... For example with my engineer degree (meng) in financial maths, 5 years of work experience as software engineer in a bank, and my flight experience (162h), I hadn't shortlisted for this MPL sessions ...

Just an other question, for CAE application, when you have send by mail your pdf application, do you receive an e-mail to confirm your application is ok ?

G-F0RC3

22nd May 2014, 14:53

Well done ben1 and good luck! :ok:

Joesimpson

22nd May 2014, 20:15

hi pegasus617 and ben1, i have also attended the CTC assessment day and have been informed that i am on the shortlist for the Easyjet MPL programme :), just out of interest what kind of ages are you guys ? also how many people did you have on your assessment day ?

if anyone has any information on a rough estimate of applicants for this years programme this would be great !

Thanks

AdrienT06

23rd May 2014, 13:01

How many people have been shortlisted ?

Chris49

23rd May 2014, 22:28

out of interest, why are people so focused on age?

and i also remember that last year, they shortlisted 50 people for the 36 places. But before people think 'great, much less competition', out of that 50 they didn't actually find 36 people they liked, so had to open up selection again. Its not a case of just trying to be better than 14 other people.

Chris49

24th May 2014, 11:14

i'm on the easyJet scheme from last year, currently in NZ, and i can tell you there is such a broad variety of ages. Yes, the average is definitely below 30, but there are still a few people much older, and there are also a few 19 year olds as well. If you're good enough and have what easyJet are looking for, then you'll be absolutely fine. No point in imagining hurdles.

PURPLE PITOT

24th May 2014, 12:01

Most people get "shortlisted". When you are told you are unsuccessful, they pitch you one of their self funded schemes. You are more likely to be persuaded to buy if you think you have "got what it takes".

Be careful, good luck.

future-pilot

24th May 2014, 18:34

and i also remember that last year, they shortlisted 50 people for the 36 places. But before people think 'great, much less competition', out of that 50 they didn't actually find 36 people they liked, so had to open up selection again. Its not a case of just trying to be better than 14 other people.

Are you sure about that? What I heard is that many candidates were unable to find enough funding to start training, this is what I've been told at CTC open day. I don't think there was any problem with the candidates, it was just a matter of financing.

G-F0RC3

24th May 2014, 23:09

That's a shame if true, and it's one of the reasons I think airlines should always help with the funding side of things themselves if they're going to have a tagged scheme at all. I know we could go on all day about airlines being businesses and whatnot. Of course they are. But it does seem somewhat self-defeating to open a cadet programme, which is presumably designed to find the highest quality of candidates, only to then present the same financial barriers to said hopefuls as would otherwise exist without a cadet programme in the first place. Because otherwise all you're really getting is the best of those who can afford it, which largely already exist graduating from the current triopoly of integrated FTOs in abundance. :p

Just my two cents. :)

ben1

25th May 2014, 12:34

Would anyone currently on the CTC MPL be able to clarify whether the first 8 month period where you earn around £1200 per month applies to MPL graduates or do MPL cadets go straight onto hourly payments? I think I read somewhere that it is for un-tagged Wings cadets and has something to do with paying for the type rating, and on the CTC website there is no mention of it.

Cheers

doz111

25th May 2014, 23:43

I recall at luton last year that several people had tried and failed at the last stage with oxford, were given feedback and then allowed to attend lagain only a matter of weeks later to another luton selection day with ctc. Ridiculous.
I'm not sure if these candidates were selected but that was a huge flaw in the selection in my opinion. Thankfully they have stopped it this year I believe?

Also it seems absurd to me that CTC are inviting people for interviews at didben and creating shortlists, with limited selection days left, when the application window has only just closed. This won't ensure that you get the best people going forward to further selection days, only the best people that applied within the first few days of the window.

It just seems to me that CTC are more eager to fill the places quickly and that quality of candidates is less important, when it should be the opposite way around.

Again I don't know who was selected exactly but can say there were a broad range of ages during selection last year.

Chris49

26th May 2014, 00:31

If they have already seen people that by far exceed the standard, why shouldn't they start putting them on the shortlist? By no means are they completely filling it up with the early applications, but they have been doing recruitment for a bloody long time, and know exactly what they and the airlines are looking for. Hence they are able to use this experience to identify candidates that they know are the right ones. There will be people from the first few days that only get shortlisted once everyone has been seen. I was on the second to last selection day last year (from the first round), and got shortlisted, along with most of the people that made it to the interview stage. And bear in mind, they only invited 120 people to do selection at Dibden, and shortlisted 50. so if they see a few people they like early on, they can offer them a space, with more than enough places remaining. They know how tough selection is, and that not all 120 people will pass (6/12 on my day). So shortlisting people early is a complete non-issue. Caveat being i don't know the numbers this time around, but it will be similar. I don't think its a case of just trying to fill spaces, as they get so many applications that will never ever be a problem.

My advice would be to please just concentrate on yourself. If you decide to concentrate on trying to 'play the game', get too focused on age and how many other people you are contending with, your performance will slip. Go and try your best, and if you have what they are looking for, you will go all the way. If you go and try your best and still don't make it, then yes its disappointing, but use it as an experience, learn from it to be even better the next time (took me 3 goes). Or you can sit there and be bitter, saying you were too old or the recruitment process was unfair. Because after all being bitter is a very valuable quality for pilots.

AnArChYm

26th May 2014, 06:54

Hi all,

Around 2 weeks ago I've noticed that the easyJet MPL program was extended at OAA till the 26th May. I have applied last week, but till today I haven't heard anything back from OAA, is it supposed to receive some sort of confirmation after sending the application?

BigOllyG

28th May 2014, 09:54

I don't think you do get a reply after sending in the PDF, I think they will be in touch shortly to let you know the outcome. Have you tried phoning the ground school you applied with? They should be able to tell you whether they received your application or not.

Good luck

AnArChYm

28th May 2014, 09:58

Yes I did phone them this morning, and a person from the skills assessment picked up and because last Monday was a holiday (which I totally forgot about), they are continuing the screening process from Tuesday and while on the phone she confirmed that my application has arrived too.

So now I'll just have to wait for the outcome I guess.

cky88

28th May 2014, 10:46

Has anyone heard anything back from stage 3?

BigOllyG

28th May 2014, 12:24

Nope I haven't heard anything back yet.

Was anyone on here at the stage 3 assessment last Thursday (22nd)?

I think if you hear anything back before the middle of next week it will probably be bad news but don't really want to second guess the process.

Good luck all who made it to stage 3!

fumap

28th May 2014, 12:59

I was on last Wednesday (21st). Didn't hear them back but i asked to the assessors and they said that the results will be released only when all the candidates complete the Stage 3; with that said, i think that we will not hear anything until at least half June (last Stage 2 planned is on the 13th of June). Of course if this story they said me is actually what they are planning to do.

I didn't know that there was a Stage 3 also the 22nd! Anyway good luck anyone going for Stage 2 or Stage 3 next days!

stevieeeh

29th May 2014, 08:15

Hi all,

Does anyone have confirmation of the final stage 2 and stage 3 dates planned for this programme? Is the 13th June confirmed to be the final stage 2?

Thanks for any info!

AnArChYm

29th May 2014, 08:26

Hi all,

I have got a positive answer from Oxford and have been invited to attend for the 2nd Stage of the selection process.

Since this is the first time ever, I do have some questions:

The kind of tests done at this academy, are there any close matching sample tests online which can be done prior to sitting for the real ones?
I'm assuming that it woud be best to dress up smartly for Stage 2. Should I go wearing a suit and tie?
And lastly, from the experience of successful 2nd Stage applicants; since I am a foreigner I would like to know whether or not it would be feasible to stay at the academy until results are out and decide who made it to Stage 3. Basically I don't want to wind up paying excessive flights from Malta to UK to go up for both stage 2 and stage 3.

Thanks

McMaverick

30th May 2014, 22:59

Been invited to Phase 2 for both OAA and CTC. Booked with OAA to travel down from Scotland in 2 weeks time. CTC phase 2 only available date is showing as next week, anyone know if they are likely to offer more dates? Was hoping to attend both in the same week as 2 separate trips is proving to be very expensive.

JohnBlair

31st May 2014, 17:09

Does anyone have a "timing" for CTC? Applied for it and haven't heard anything back yet.

Wannabe380

2nd Jun 2014, 06:23

Hi fellow prruners, and thankyou for all of your views on the easyjet MPL program.

I was hoping one of you who has been to the ctc assessment day can advise me on how they test our 'numerical ability'. Is this just purely with mental arithmetic questions or is it in the form of a numerical reasoning test?

Thankyou in advance for your help in this matter and good luck to all that have applied

LastMinuteChanges

2nd Jun 2014, 18:59

@Wannabe380:

In response to your question, just gonna add my two cents in here:-

CTC will set you a numerical reasoning test, approximately 15 questions with a time limit of 10 minutes, which is similar to OAA I believe. This is part of the PILAPT test, and it is randomised.

Best thing to do is practise the 'type' of questions that may ask, such as currency conversion and speed/distance/time equations.

Search for 'Pilot Aptitude Tests' on here, and you'll find a couple of websites that will be able to help you prepare.

Good luck!

Wannabe380

3rd Jun 2014, 15:07

@LastMinuteChanges

Thankyou for your swift reply! So if they are currency conversions with many decimal points they wont be expecting you to undertake the test without the use of a calculator I am guessing?

Thanks again and I wish you the best of luck!

AnArChYm

5th Jun 2014, 09:13

They would expect you to calculate using rough estimates mentally, so I guess a calculator is out of the question.

To all past aptitude test takers, is a piece of paper permitted during the test to write down some working during maths/physics tests?

Also with regards to Hand/eye coordination, task management, multitasking ability and orientation what is the usual acceptable accuracy for such tests to achieve a pass?

These tests would be done at OAA.

Danny212

5th Jun 2014, 18:51

@AnArChYm Yes a pen and paper is given to you. I wouldn't worry about accuracy scores, why would you want to know? On the day you'd just go and do your best and wait for the results getting back to you. If I Told you accuracy required is 5/10 or 910 it would make no difference to how you actually do. Just remember there's A LOT of competition, so just do your best! :)

AnArChYm

5th Jun 2014, 18:56

Thanks Danny for your reply.

Actually I am worried as I'm trying some hand/eye coordination from pilotaptitudetest.com and it seems quite hard to get high accuracy marks.

LastMinuteChanges

5th Jun 2014, 19:07

@Wannabe380:

No, you will not be able to use a calculator whatsoever.

You will need to calculate the answer to the nearest decimal point as quickly as possible, with the test allowing some margin for error. I.e 4321 x16 -> 4320 x 15 -> (4320 x 10 = 43200) + (43200 / 2 = 21600) etc.

@AnArChYm:

Keep trying, I have used that website (PAT | PilotAptitudeTest.com - Practise for Pilot Aptitude Tests! (http://www.pilotaptitudetest.com)) for an airline assessment as a fATPL holder and found it very beneficial. If you're struggling that much, shoot them an email to ask how you could improve, they really helped me out!

PS: A majority of the aptitude tests compare your performance against a large pool of previous data collected on other candidates, therefore, as long as you are above average, I would assume that you will be 'okay'.

PPS: However the standards required would theoretically be much higher than the average of the other candidates if you were planning on entering such a selective scheme such as the EZY MPL.

AnArChYm

5th Jun 2014, 19:10

Thanks @LastMinuteChanges, I'll contact the PAT for some info :)

LastPastthePost

5th Jun 2014, 21:37

I attended the final stage at Oxford, just waiting to find out now.

The more I looked into easyJet the more impressed I got, very sound financially, strategy is good and being executed well, realistic growth in the future and hence excellent time to command!

I had a quick look at the Market Cap (ie the valuation of the company), found that easyJet is in the same ballpark as the biggest airlines in Europe:
Airfrance KLM - 3.5 bn EUR
Lufthansa - 9 bn EUR
Ryanair- 10bn EUR
IAG - 10bn EUR
Easyjet - 7.6bn EUR

I also liked the easyJet people I met and really enjoyed their group exercises. The MPL with its focus on multi crew jet operations also seems the best way to train to be a pilot (in my opinion)

Everything went well on the day, I will be gutted if I don't get into this!

fumap

5th Jun 2014, 23:50

@LastPastthePost

For sure a place with EZY is much more "safe" than with other airlines watching also to the future.

When did you attend the finals at OAA?

mclodeon

6th Jun 2014, 09:25

Hello everyone,

I did my second assessment on 7th May in OAA and I didn´t receive any answer with my results. I´m a little bit dissapointed with this because I know that some of you did the last stage. Does anyone know anything about this? anyone in my situation?

Thanks in advance

AnArChYm

6th Jun 2014, 09:37

@mclodean: When I called last week for some information, the lady whom I have spoken with said that the last session for stage 2 is happening on the 13th, and the week after they will continue stage 3, maybe they are still going to compare your results with the new applicants sitting for their stage 2.

How did it go for you?

If I were you I would also try to give them a call too, to confirm :)

mclodeon

6th Jun 2014, 09:59

I hope that was the reason anyway I will wait a little bit more and if I don´t get any answer I´ll call them.

I think I did it well. what about you?

Good luck

JohnBlair

6th Jun 2014, 10:59

@mclodeon hola tío! Otro español por aquí! :)

I am in the same situation. I took the second stage just one week before you, on 30th April, and still haven't heard back from them. As you, I can't stop thinking that's a bad sign, since other people have been already asked to attend to the final stage.
I have also called oaa and they just ask me to wait :ugh:

casanovass

6th Jun 2014, 12:54

Do you know how the easyjet interview looks like nowadays? what kind or A320 tech questions they ask, HR questions? SIM assessment?

Thank you very much... :ok:

Danny212

6th Jun 2014, 21:54

Anyone else starting in August? :)

vne10

6th Jun 2014, 22:21

That's great bet you're chuffed to have the good news. I'm going crazy waiting for an answer! Do you mind me asking which school you applied to and what date your assessment was?

Danny212

6th Jun 2014, 22:31

@vne10

The reality still hasn't hit me yet! I applied to OAA. I can't remember my Stage 2 date, but I had my Stage 3 on 22nd May. Bets of luck! :)

BigOllyG

8th Jun 2014, 13:43

I was at the assessment for stage 3 on the 22nd as well, seemed like a good bunch!Congratulations I bet you are over the moon! What date do you start I bet it is all go for you now sorting the medical and the funding! Congrats again, I am very jealous, fingers crossed I get the good news myself soon!

All the best for your Easyjet career, hopefully see you there.

EZY_FR

8th Jun 2014, 15:48

Well done on getting into the EZY scheme Danny, I wish you all the best with your career!

Danny212

8th Jun 2014, 22:44

@EZY_FR Thank you! :)

@BigOllyG You're very right, I didn't think I stood a chance. I felt I may have taken a more reserved seat during group stages whilst everyone decided to repeat points over and over but I felt it may have made me seem a tad more 'shy'. Looks like it wasn't a problem. I hope you hear back very soon and good luck!

casanovass

9th Jun 2014, 13:36

Hello again,

So do you have any ideas on how the interview works?! What stuff they ask etc etc?! Thank u guys :ok:

EZY_FR

9th Jun 2014, 16:12

Interviews are competency based nowadays, i.e. give an example of when you done this, etc.

G-F0RC3

9th Jun 2014, 18:56

Congratulations Danny. :)

BigOllyG

10th Jun 2014, 08:09

Hi Danny, congratulations again, how did they let you know? Was it a phone call or and Email?

Cheers

casanovass

10th Jun 2014, 10:21

Thank you very much EZY FR, i appreciate it, anything else specific on it?

Take care. :ok:

Danny212

10th Jun 2014, 14:28

@G-FORC3 thanks mate!

@BigOllyG Thank you! They let me know via a phone call, after which followed an email. Good luck!

Timothy90

10th Jun 2014, 17:12

Hello,

I have done the 3 stages with CTC and have also been told that I'm on the shortlist. This is turning out to be quite a waiting game!

Congratulations Danny212 and good luck to all others in the selection process.

nonsoloinglese

10th Jun 2014, 18:45

@Danny212 - well done! I was at OAA on the 22nd as well still have yet to find out! Fingers crossed! August 4th is not far away!

EZY_FR

10th Jun 2014, 23:30

casanovass

Since I haven't been through the process, I am not sure but I would imagine you would need to know easyJet inside out.

Timothy90

11th Jun 2014, 18:32

Got a positive reply for CTC. Over the moon! Good luck all of you :ok:

G-F0RC3

12th Jun 2014, 08:56

Congratulations guys. :)

casanovass

12th Jun 2014, 09:49

Thank you very much for now easy fr...

If you happen to have mor news about selection and stud please let me know.. Take care :ok:

Danny212

12th Jun 2014, 10:15

Thank you!!

And a big well done to all the CTC chaps getting the positive replies! To the guys who didn't quite make it until the end, honestly just don't give up!

BigOllyG

12th Jun 2014, 10:40

Congratulations all on the positive replies! Keep your head up if you didn't get through this time, you will next!!!!

I am still awaiting a response from Oxford and I am really nervous, finding it hard to put it out of my mind and wait.

Good luck all those still waiting news.

CBM

12th Jun 2014, 20:32

I completed Stage 2 on the 23rd of May at CAE OAA. I've made it through to Stage 3 thankfully! Which is meant to take place next week on Tuesday/Wednesday.

thomas320

13th Jun 2014, 08:05

It is funny that CTC is already giving answers as they are not done with selections yet. I have booked a day on June 23rd.

Congratulations to the lucky ones !

LastPastthePost

13th Jun 2014, 09:51

Found out I made it onto the program and I also passed the CAA medical, so can start celebrating now!

I enjoyed the medical, especially chatting to the other people. Its like a selection day without as much stress! However two (out of the four) of the people who attended at Gatwick didn't pass. They had undiagnosed problems, so I recommend that you get this before you start making other firm plans.

I think Oxford are trying to fill up the August class first. So if I can get everything in order for that then I should be flying a A320 in March 2016!

Congrats to everyone who made it. For those that don't know the outcome, I hope the FTO let you know soon..

nonsoloinglese

13th Jun 2014, 10:25

Well done LastPastthePost what day did you do your Stage 3? I am nervously sitting here waiting for the good or bad news. Che sera' sera'..

Danny212

13th Jun 2014, 13:00

@LastPasthePost

Congratulations and welcome! I'm a little worried that the finance won't get sorted by August...but hey ho I'm nearly ready to send off he applications...must admit its scary stuff!

vne10

13th Jun 2014, 13:10

Well done to all those with positive responses, I'm still crossing my fingers.

Has anyone who was on the CTC easyJet shortlist had any rejections yet, or any positive replies for CTC August/Sept starts?

@Danny212 I'd imagine the majority of successful applicants would be taking out the loan (I might be wrong though!) so something doesn't seem to add up when they say the loan application can take three months yet they have only given one month's notice for those starting in July?? I'm sure the process could be expedited if needs be - perhaps someone with more experience of the loan process could advise?

BigOllyG

13th Jun 2014, 13:32

I spoke to the finance department at Oxford, not sure if this rings true for CTC but I was told that they know how long the application for the loan can take and as long as you can show that it is being processed and you have met the requirements they are generally happy to take you on until the loan is approved.

I think they prefer you to have the money for the deposit though but I'm sure they will understand if you can't scrape that together. A girl I know on the MPL course this year said someone on her course only got the loan sorted last month and applied for it this time last year! So they do understand that the loan can take a while to get sorted.

Hope this puts your mind at rest but as I said I'd check with CTC first!

vne10

13th Jun 2014, 13:40

Thanks for the info @BilOllyG, that's really interesting to hear about the flexibility with timescales for getting the loan sorted. I suppose the only worry would be to be declined for the loan and have already commenced the course but I'm sure BBVA would advise initially on whether the loan is likely to be accepted.

Cheers and good luck to the rest of us still waiting!

nonsoloinglese

13th Jun 2014, 14:35

Danny212, did they mention anything about VAT? I am yet to hear back but in my planning I am hearing that it is not included but applies for VAT...

Also worth noting that interest is accrued from drawdown so the longer you can put that off the better. Ideally you would want to drawdown on a monthly basis reducing the total interest payable but I am not sure if that is possible.

Boe787ing

13th Jun 2014, 21:30

I attended today - found the assessment set up some what ridiculous!

Worst thing was computers kept crashing....

Has anyone who went today found out if they got thru??

FlyingColours1

16th Jun 2014, 11:04

Congratulations to all who have made it through so far. Just got my email inviting me to attend stage 3 of the assessment with OAA, very excited!

One thing that caught me by surprise is the line at the bottom which says:
"Before you can be offered advancement you will be required to have an in date Instrument Rating."

I have a PPL currently, but haven't even thought about an IR! Did anyone else have this problem?
:confused:

alexisbarboule

16th Jun 2014, 12:40

I went through the stage 2 on friday 13th.

To be honest I've been disappointed on the way applicants are treated...:(

I am still waiting for the results.... I hope to be lucky enough to be selected for stage 3 And hope I will have enough time to organize my trip to Oxford from Toulouse.

Concerning the tests... cold start with to my sense the most difficult one! And what about this incredible personality test! :ugh:

Boe787ing

17th Jun 2014, 07:16

Yes applicants were treated like primary school children, they seemed severely short staffed to say the least. Considering they were making around 4k from the applicants on the day, one would hope for more respect....

I am also sure that we should have been allowed as much time as possible on that silly 225 question test....they just seemed to have double, tripled booked and wanted it all done asap... there were even people starting at 3.30pm :(

anyone else from Friday 13th get a response???

AnArChYm

17th Jun 2014, 07:26

@alexisbarboule, @Boe787ing: I have also attended the stage 2 at OAA last Friday morning (13th). Personally this was my first time sitting for these kind of tests, so I can't compare this experience with anything. However I totally agree with you that the first Maths test, was hard, although I guess that this Maths test was used to easily shortlist applicants at a glance, where speedy calculations had to be a priority. Same as you guys I'm still waiting for a reply from the academy.

@FlyingColours1, Well done and wish you best of luck :) When was your 2nd stage done? Was it in June 7 or 13th?

BigOllyG

17th Jun 2014, 09:44

Hey Flying colours, do you know the dates for stage 3 yet?

Cheers and good luck.

mclodeon

17th Jun 2014, 10:53

I went through the stage 2 in May 7th and I didn´t hear any news yet. Does anyone know something? should they answer me even if I have negative results?

Congratulations to everyone with positive news.

AnArChYm

17th Jun 2014, 11:02

@mclodeon. I had the opportunity to visit the OAA a day before the assessment and therefore asking some important questions to the guy who was showing me around. I asked him when would an applicant know the results after the COMPASS tests. He said that the results would never be shown to the applicant unless the applicant had chosen to apply for the ab-intitio course, since for the numerous amount of applicants sitting for the tests, it would be impossible to debrief them all. On the other hand he also mentioned that being either positive or negative, the applicant would always be informed during the selection process.

Have you tried to give a call to the academy maybe they can give you an indication of the current process and where do you stand?

If I'm not mistaken Stage 3 interviews had to start this week (starting with the ones who got excellent results in Stage 2), then I guess if they don't reach their quotas, they would contact the next best applicants.

alexisbarboule

17th Jun 2014, 12:33

@AnArChYm, i also visited the school the day before. I am really scared about the fact that the people from the commercial team are not aware about all EZ MPL aspect. I asked a lot of question, but many of them remain without answer.

Anyway, at the end of the tests someone asked for the stage 3 dates, the person said "it would be probably on June 23rd".

Reassuring when you know that stage 3 is probably the one who require the hardest preparation moreover, we are the 17th and some of us need to organize our trip to Oxford...

in any case, I wish you all good luck! :ok:
waiting this email is simply horrible! :ugh:

left_base

17th Jun 2014, 17:35

Hi all,

I also attended stage 2 on Friday 13th and received positive news yesterday morning. Stage 3 for me will be next week.

For those that have previously attended Stage 3, is there a presentation on the programme and an opportunity to ask questions on all the details, either to OAA or directly to the easyJet recruitment team?

Thanks!:ok:

BigOllyG

17th Jun 2014, 22:07

Hi, congratulations on making it to stage 3. There is a presentation with the opportunity to ask questions to the oaa and Easyjet teams.

All the best with the stage 3's!

alexisbarboule

18th Jun 2014, 07:30

Congrats!!

Hope you will go through it! I wish you good luck!
I will be interested in the answers you will get from the easyjet team!

Boe787ing

18th Jun 2014, 07:43

@ left base - congrats buddy!

Do keep us informed how it all goes :)

vne10

18th Jun 2014, 08:34

Has anybody on the CTC easyJet shortlist heard anything positive or negative in the last week? This waiting game's killing me!

ventus2cxa

18th Jun 2014, 10:08

Hi ,

I passed the 3 phase at CAE , I'm wondering now if it is the best solution regarding the price.
Actually you can make the modular courses (ATPL) with Oxford and CPL IR MCC in other FTO for 40 000 euros accommodation included , and after a type rating Airbus or Boeing for 20 000 more and if you can't find a job pay 20 000 more for 300 hours on the aircraft. It will not guaranty a job after but type rating with 300 h will be easier to find one.

Is it necessary to pay more than 110 000 pounds ?

AnArChYm

18th Jun 2014, 10:49

@ventus2cxa, well done for passing stage 3 :)

With regards to pricing and what's worth, I think that 110K pounds is way too much however you will be guaranteed a job after the end of your training with OAA, so at least none of your money would be lost since you already got a job :)

Are you sure that 300hrs on type costs just 20K pounds? that means its only 66.6pounds/hr :confused:

left_base

19th Jun 2014, 09:14

Thanks all!

And congratulations @ ventus2cxa!!

I do share your concerns regarding the price and what I'll be left with after loan repayments and tax. And also regarding perm contracts at 75% etc.

I too have considered taking the modular route, but my main concern with this is the options available to me at the end of it.

AnArChYm

19th Jun 2014, 18:13

@left base: I haven't passed, not even heard from oaa yet...I was giving a congrats to to the other guy :)

In my opinion it would be a bit vague to consider whether or not to go the modular wayat this stage, since you have shown excellent performance and been chosen, that is if it was me I would definitely finish up the necessary stuff to confirm my place :)

left_base

20th Jun 2014, 09:18

Apologies, I have now edited! :ugh:

Has anyone else received any feedback from OAA regarding stage 2 or 3?

alexisbarboule

20th Jun 2014, 09:36

Still waiting to hear from stage 2. I think it's over for me. it's a shame that they didn't send any email!

AnArChYm

20th Jun 2014, 09:41

@alex: I wouldn't give up this early, first of all it has only been a week since the skills assessment. Stage 3 is continuing as from next Monday so if OAA/Easyjet won't meet their quotas for applicant entries, I presume OAA will send more positive emails :)

I have been told last week by an OAA skills training guy, that an email will be sent irrelevant being positive or negative reply. So sit tight and try to forget about it for a while :)

alexisbarboule

20th Jun 2014, 09:48

You're right! So difficult to wait that long. As you said, it was only one week ago... It seems like it was a mounth ago! (http://www.pprune.org/members/431638-anarchym)

Did anyone of you guys considered the BA cityflyer MPL at FTE Jerez??

Hannah222

20th Jun 2014, 12:33

I took my assessment on the 14th May for stage 2 and then on Monday I got invited to stage 3 on Wed 25th June. So we'll see how it goes then! Anyone else on that day for Oxford?

Boe787ing

23rd Jun 2014, 21:12

Any rejects from Friday 13th June yet?

McMaverick

24th Jun 2014, 23:42

Attended stage 2 on 13th June, no news yet..

alexisbarboule

25th Jun 2014, 11:50

Same, attended on 13th, no news

flyingintheclouds

26th Jun 2014, 14:51

CTC Wings twitter just tweeted applications for easyJet MPL have been re opened for 48 hours!

Officer Kite

26th Jun 2014, 15:27

Can someone please help with the education requirements. It says you need 2 A-levels at grades BC, including maths and a science.

Does this mean that you must have a B in maths and a C in a science, or a C in maths and B in science ? Or can the grades B and C be in any A-levels, but 2 of the A-levels have to consist of maths and a science ?

G-F0RC3

26th Jun 2014, 15:45

I believe it means you need to have A-Level maths and an A-Level in a science, where together they make up at least grades BC.

So basically if you have a B in maths and a C in physics/chemistry/biology, or a C in maths and a B in physics/chemistry/biology, (or better) then you're fine.

doz111

26th Jun 2014, 19:28

If you read carefully the requirements are at least two A level grades, at BC or above, with one of the grades being in a maths or science subject.

Hence a B in any subject plus a C in either Maths or Physics/Chemistry/Biology would be sufficient.

Best of luck.

G-F0RC3

26th Jun 2014, 22:00

Having now read the requirements from the CTC website, I agree with doz111.

...hold a minimum of 2 A Level, Grades BC or above and must include at least one Science or Maths based subject,

Runner233

27th Jun 2014, 11:58

Had my stage 3 at oxford yesterday, that was an interesting interview!

left_base

27th Jun 2014, 13:43

Interesting in a good way? I found stage 3 to be quite an enjoyable day.

fumap

27th Jun 2014, 13:59

I received the call this morning. I'm in the OAA easyJet MPL of September! I have yet to realize that, I've been waiting impatiently since my Phase 3 on the 21st of May.

left_base

27th Jun 2014, 14:30

Congratulations fumap!

fumap

27th Jun 2014, 14:52

Thanks! I've yet to really realize everything. Some informations for the other guys waiting: they said the Phase 3 were finish yesterday, so I imagine the calls/emails will be in the next few days for everyone else. ;)

The wait is incredibly stressful, keep positive guys! And good luck to anyone else that is waiting the answer. If anyone is on the September course too, if you want don't hesitate to contact me!

Runner233

27th Jun 2014, 15:15

I did enjoy it, it was nice talking to everyone as well. Group exercises went well but surprised by some questions in the interview. It was a good experience though, despite being the last person to be interviewed and having to watch Wimbledon the whole time!

LastPastthePost

27th Jun 2014, 15:24

Congrats Fumap, hope to see you at Oxford..

I think that might have been the same day I was at. Did you wear a blazer with different colour trousers / shoes?

fumap

27th Jun 2014, 15:33

Yes, it was me! Some good guys on the 21st, I was sure that many would have been selected for the course.

Danny212

27th Jun 2014, 18:55

Fumap well done!!
I'm starting the easyJet MPL in August so I look forward to seeing you!! :)

fumap

27th Jun 2014, 19:08

@LastPastthePost @Danny212

Congratulations to both of you too! Looking forward to see you there in September! ;)

FlyingColours1

27th Jun 2014, 20:50

Congratulations guys! Best of luck with your training :)
Anyone else here assessed for stage 3 with OAA on the 26th?

cky88

27th Jun 2014, 21:46

Just got the news I start at OAA in September :) surprised does not come close!

MasterCaution.

27th Jun 2014, 21:46

Congrats guys!

Is the requirement for a maths/science A Level a new requirement? I do not remember see that specific subject requirement before?

nae_wings

28th Jun 2014, 18:41

Nail biting times indeed, well done and congratulations to all those who have confirmed places on the 2014 EZY MPL, hang on in there to those still waiting to hear back especially the alumni of OAA stage 3 Thursday past - did anyone else manage a last tram effort and get their CTC application in during the recent window that just closed?

Officer Kite

28th Jun 2014, 19:25

yep nae wings most certainly did :ok: It was a "blink and you'll miss it" opportunity lol

Gally2

29th Jun 2014, 20:04

Do ye know how many are taken on in this ctc latest easy jet recruitment?

Can anyone whop added the assessments for easyjet this year tell me how to study best for them?

BigOllyG

30th Jun 2014, 11:18

Congratulations to all the people who have made it through so far.

Has anyone heard a negative response from Oxford yet?

Still anxiously waiting for the good/bad news!

AnArChYm

30th Jun 2014, 11:30

Still waiting for that response from OAA, and another response from CTC (since I applied last Friday)

Officer Kite

30th Jun 2014, 15:39

So for the last CTC batch the e-mails are out and this Friday is the only selection day available, it's proving very difficult trying to organise this one :ugh:

Juicy_Possum

30th Jun 2014, 18:08

Same here for OAA, not heard anything, good or bad. Glad its not just me, though I could definitely do without the anxiety all day at work!

Boe787ing

1st Jul 2014, 09:59

Just got the rejection email. Quite pissed....mainly due to the fact that the computer crashed during some tests and I was told there is no need to re-do....hmm...

BigOllyG

1st Jul 2014, 10:39

Sorry to hear that. Was it stage 2 that you received a rejection for? Keep your head up and you'll get it next time (hopefully the PC's won't be crashing!)

Boe787ing

1st Jul 2014, 10:56

yep stage 2. Yep fingers crossed for next time

AnArChYm

1st Jul 2014, 11:00

Hmmm...hard luck dude
I am still waiting for some response both OAA and CTC. I did the same stage 2 with you on Fri 13th. And I do remember there was one guy who had the computers crashing...

AnArChYm

1st Jul 2014, 11:37

Officer Kite

1st Jul 2014, 13:44

Is there anyone else going to Dibden Manor this Friday ?

Stage5

2nd Jul 2014, 07:29

Just got the email from OAA about the rejection. However they did mention in the email that I can take a retake some elements of the COMPASS as the results were competitive to join the APPFO selection.

Does anyone know whether this email is a generic one or not? Basically I don't want to waste money into retake the tests and know that it's already a lost cause haha

Generic I believe. Either your results as they stand are good enough for APPFO or not. They already know that and re-doing the tests is unlikely to dramatically alter the outcome. But it is a good money maker. As you age increases your scores will increase up to the age of aprox 30, plateau then start to fall off. All of this is known to OAA, but few aspiring Pilots realise this.
Simply ask them are the scores that they have on record good enough or not. Should you wish to see them and they withhold the info submit a 'Subject Access Request'.