Skill test in EASA regulations

[maximus610]

Dear examiners, how you sign a successful EASA cpl or ir skill test time in the candidate's logbook, PIC(PICUS) or DUAL?
The only info I could find was UK CAA standards document 6 V5 (2010): PICUS - pass, DUAL - fail.
But what about new EASA world?
Thanks

[S-Works]

It's not changed.

[maximus610]

Passed my skill tests yesterday in Iceland.

All times logged as DUAL. Only FE is allowed to log his time as PIC.

Only UK logs the tests as PICUS?

[S-Works]

Nope, it's an EASA regulation. Successful flight test is PICUS.

[BillieBob]

Errrr, where in the Regulation does it say that?

[BigGrecian]

CAP 804: Section 1 Part E Page 14 (http://www.caa.co.uk/cap804)

Pilot undergoing any form of flight test with a EASA or CAA
Authorised Examiner (other than case K)
PICUS for successful Test P/UT for unsuccessful test (including partial pass
Enter time in ‘P1’ column and have it certified by aircraft commander. Enter time in ‘Dual’ colum

So you must get the examiner's signature to be able to log it as PIC. Also the examiners name still goes in the PIC column.

No signature - no PIC - CAA do pick this up if you are using it towards CPL issue requirements.

In terms of Part FCL - 050 is the section but is open - and the AMC doesn't cover it - so it's up to the individual authorities as to what they accept.

[nick14]

That's not regulation that is just the CAAs interpretation.

FCL.050 would be the law and the AMC the only means to comply until an Alt MOC is approved.

But essentially it's up to the authorities to decide and as far as I have seen most accept that pass is PICUS and fail is DUAL.

[BillieBob]

The AMC doesn't cover it but the Regulation does.FCL.010 Definitions

‘Pilot-in-command under supervision’ (PICUS) means a co-pilot performing, under the supervision of the pilot-in-command, the duties and functions of a pilot-in-command.

‘Co-pilot’ means a pilot operating other than as pilot-in-command, on an aircraft for which more than one pilot is required, but excluding a pilot who is on board the aircraft for the sole purpose of receiving flight instruction for a licence or rating.Thus, according to the Regulation, PICUS may be claimed only by a co-pilot in a multi-pilot aircraft. How can that be 'interpreted' as permitting PICUS to be claimed by a student in a single-pilot aircraft? Looks like the UK CAA is, once again, out of step with the rest of Europe, and this time with the law as well.

[Level Attitude]

How can that be 'interpreted' as permitting PICUS to be claimed by a
student in a single-pilot aircraftEasy, since you ask:

A single pilot aircraft may need multi-crew for certain operations; and it is
not possible to conduct a Test unless both the Examiner and the candidate
are on board the aircraft

The candidate is not deemed to have been under training if they pass the
test, so PUT not appropriate - what else is there?

[BillieBob]

No, don't buy that. It is not the aircraft but the task that requires two pilots in this instance. In any case, the definition states that PICUS may be claimed only by a co-pilot. No matter how you wriggle you cannot make a test candidate into the co-pilot of a single pilot aeroplane, especially one that is not required, either by certification or by the terms of an AOC to be operated with a co-pilot.

According to the Regulation, the only operating capacities available are PIC, PICUS, SPIC or Dual. PICUS may be claimed only by a co-pilot, SPIC may be claimed only as part of an integrated course and so the only alternative, as Iceland and others accept, is Dual.

[Level Attitude]

You asked:
How can that be 'interpreted'So:
No, don't buy thatIs your perogative