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kakuiwong
23rd Aug 2013, 17:21
Hi all, i am new to this forum, i just want to ask a question, may be it is quite silly, but still hope someone can answer.

As we know that the lifting force is provided by pressure difference, and by bernoulli equation, the faster the air will decrease the pressure. AND the jet engine is used to accelerate the ambient air to provide thrust. So, will it deteriorate the lifting ability and why not building it above the wing? thank you

Rocchi
23rd Aug 2013, 18:46
Boeing YC-14. There will be many others more qualified to give you more detailed answers.

HazelNuts39
23rd Aug 2013, 21:27
The VFW614 had jet engines above the wing. I believe reduced exposure of the engines to foreign object damage was the motivation for that unusual configuration.

gums
23rd Aug 2013, 21:27
Go look up "Coanda" effect.

TURIN
23rd Aug 2013, 21:40
It's called Upper Surface Blowing. (Fnaar, fnaar;))

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/aircraft/images/amst-flaps.gif

Or a simpler version (which I used at a job interview by the way:O)

http://www.ysjournal.com/articles/2013/6/13/images/YoungScientistsJ_2013_6_13_12_107612_u4.jpg

Or the complete article..

http://piyasara.com/images/content/cargo/clip_image083.jpg

barit1
25th Aug 2013, 12:54
The new HondaJet has overwing engines too.

listeningwatch
25th Aug 2013, 14:02
You also need very reliable fuel pumps! No gravity feed here!

Desert185
25th Aug 2013, 14:13
...and the wheel is still round. :ok:

peter kent
8th Sep 2013, 00:15
Honda's justification for overwing engines


http://hondajet.honda.com/pdf/tech_papers/Journal_of_Aircraft_Vol40_No6_P1177_P1184_Wave_Drag_OTWEM.pd f

peter kent
8th Sep 2013, 01:45
Check out this article on YC-14 and YC-15



1975 | 0193 | Flight Archive (http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1975/1975%20-%200193.html)

see page 152 also for more details on upper surface blowing on the YC-14.

Checkboard
8th Sep 2013, 09:21
... and, of course, just about every business jet ever made along with 90% of tail mount engines on airliners have the engines mounted above the wing.

Wizofoz
8th Sep 2013, 10:02
Yes, but usually not to produce a "Blown" wing.

To address the OP, as you can see, it jet efflux CAN be used to produce lift- but producing that lift also produces drag.

Thus it can help in STOL applications, but is less useful when a high cruising speed is desired.

Piper19
8th Sep 2013, 23:50
The upper part of the wing is more important than the lower part in providing lift. Most of the lift is generated by the "sucking" force.
So aerodynamically it's better to leave the upper part of the wing undisturbed, except if you really need it for e.g. STOL designs.

lomapaseo
9th Sep 2013, 00:10
The upper part of the wing is more important than the lower part in providing lift. Most of the lift is generated by the "sucking" force.
So aerodynamically it's better to leave the upper part of the wing undisturbed, except if you really need it for e.g. STOL designs.

I wonder what Bernoulli would have to say about this?

balsa model
9th Sep 2013, 02:09
I think that Mr. Bernoulli would be totally speechless on hearing that we have flying machines.