New CAA Charges - Permit to Fly

[pulse1]

I assume that I am reading this document correctly but it looks to me that the CAA are proposing to introduce a new charge for Permits to Fly. For a simple renewal of an existing Permit, for which the LAA charge £190, the CAA are proposing to introduce an additional charge of £478. If accepted, this change will become effective on April 1, 2013 (very appropriate). If any investigations cost more than this, the CAA reserve the right to charge whatever they like up to a maximum of £83,600 in any year or part of a year.

http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/1352/AWD%20V7%20Final%20Enclosure%201314.pdf

There are other, equally horrific changes for other types of aircraft on the same document.

I came across this information by accident and, as far as I can see, the only people showing any concern are the members of the De Havilland Moth Club. There is absolutely nothing about it on the LAA website or in the latest LAA magazine, although I do understand that the LAA are fighting it. Why they haven't galvanised their membership to join in the fight, I have no idea.

Hopefully someone here will read the document and tell me I have got it all wrong and it is an early April Fool's joke.

[robin]

You're a bit late - it is being discussed at LAA and other places

View topic - New CAA Scale of Charges | Light Aircraft Association (http://services.lightaircraftassociation.co.uk/phpbbforum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=3681)

[Crash one]

Mentioned on the LAA site this could be the CAA permit system & nothing to do with the LAA, Lets not knee jerk just yet.

[Privatecaptain]

Well, I live in The Netherlands and the cost for this kind of stuff is embarrassingly high. Let me share this with you. All rates are the current ones. And since the government decided to outsource this to a private company 2 years ago(Kiwa), the already high costs were added with 21% of VAT.

1st issue:
CPL, MPL., ATPL, CFEL: € 619,52
PPL, CPL (FB), RPL: € 596,53
Part-66 AML € 168,19
National AML/ZVT : € 114,95

Addition, renewal or change:
General or special rating: € 124,63
Instructor rating: € 160,93
RT rating or LPE endorsement: € 64,13
Proof of equivalence: € 73,81
License document renewal: € 73,81
Part-66 AML € 168,19
National AML-ZVT € 114,95

Among the highest in Europe. Incredible.

[Rod1]

This is for a CAA permit to fly. LAA permits are permanent and not renewed annually as most people think. Annually you get a certificate of validity which is administered by the LAA.

Rod1

[pulse1]

The significant wording of the CAA document is:

"On making an application for the annual renewal of a national permit to fly certificate of validity, the applicant shall pay to the CAA":

[Crash one]

"On making an application for the annual renewal of a national permit to fly certificate of validity, the applicant shall pay to the CAA":

The LAA Permit to fly is not a NATIONAL permit.
It says on mine "Light Aircraft Association, Certificate of Validity, Permit to fly.
However if it does turn out to mean LAA permit a/c then the LAA will be destroyed at a stroke & my a/c will be up for sale as at July, & CAA can stuff this flying lark as far up their extortionate money grabbing ass as they wish. At the moment I don't believe they are quite that stupid.

[Echo Romeo]

I have been reading about this on another forum, I get the feeling most folk believe it applies to LAA permit aircraft, I am unclear though.

However, my permit renewal is March this year so I will beat it, but should it apply next year I think I would adopt Crash one's stance, a 100+% increase would be an outrage.

[Maoraigh1]

Most of the charges are the same as the previous year.

[robin]

Quote:
"On making an application for the annual renewal of a national permit to fly certificate of validity, the applicant shall pay to the CAA":
The LAA Permit to fly is not a NATIONAL permit.
It says on mine "Light Aircraft Association, Certificate of Validity, Permit to fly.
However if it does turn out to mean LAA permit a/c then the LAA will be destroyed at a stroke & my a/c will be up for sale as at July, & CAA can stuff this flying lark as far up their extortionate money grabbing ass as they wish. At the moment I don't believe they are quite that stupid.

I think you are right, but surely the LAA Permit is a national one, given it is limited to the UK under derogation from the CAA

[Crash one]

the applicant shall pay to the CAA":

One other point. I / we have not "Paid to the CAA" but to the LAA. is that significant?

[cockney steve]

Of Course! As a C.O.B (Cynical old Bastard ) I read...." we subbed it out to LAA, but times are hard, there's a closer watch on us now, these punters are ripe for screwing.......

Legislation gets passed, then they point out that ADMIN was derogated to LAA, but now as it's a nice little earner, it's coming back in house so we can all keep our jobs and pensions.

But they're honourable, hard-working people who LOVE helping G.A. thrive, aren't they!

[Shoestring Flyer]

Well according to other forums both the LAA and the BMAA are in discussion with the CAA about the charges increase.

[Crash one]

There is/was a discussion about illegal pilots on here recently, & people wonder why?