Type rating Costs S-92 and AW139

[Rotatohead]

Could someone give me the approximate costs for an initial type rating course (JAA) on these two? I heard the aw139 used to be around €50k two years ago?

Thanks!
Rotatohead

[gulliBell]

$80K-ish USD for the AW139....

[Rotatohead]

That would be with FlightSafety I guess?

[ka26]

Are you going to pay AW139 type rating course by yourself? :rolleyes:

[Rotatohead]

I would pay part of it, if that would get me a job...

[Torquetalk]

An operator expecting a pilot to pay for all or part of a MPH TR isn't a serious player.

A pilot willing to pay for all or part of an MPH TR is a

a) wise investor in their future career
b) an underminer of industry terms and conditions
c) a mug
d) desperate

Take yee pick ;)

[Rotatohead]

d)

Problem is, I find myselfe competing against an increasing number of ex military pilots who get their ratings payed and work up to two years for free. Usually no employer can resist that...

[ka26]

Too much money, I would never pay an AW139 type rating.. 57,000 Euros without a warrantee to have a job..

[FC80]

Oh good, the rot is starting on the rotary side of things :hmm:

Anyone know how much it would cost me to fly 500 line hours on the North Sea? :zzz:

[Rotatohead]

...and I still can't see what's wrong with that. It's an investment I'm am willing to make just as my licence or my intrument rating was years ago.

Paying for a rating is not uncommen at all. Most of the "civilian" pilots I know had to do it at least once. And if it gets you a great step ahead in your career, maybe even the critical one, why not?

Of course I could just stick with my executive job and save me the money but maybe I'm tired of being forced to disregard duty times and weather minima, flying with unrated copilots, working unpaid overtime, not having a predicable off time. And all that for €60k a year.
(And yes, this is already one of the better companies to work for here in Germany.)

[Camp Freddie]

At some point after you get your CPL and after you may already have a number of single engine ratings you have to stop paying for your own type ratings to start your career and an employer should invest something in you.

Up to about 10 years ago in the UK anyway, the spending would stop before the IR and the employer would typically pay for that and twin ratings, then the trend started for people to pay for there own IR to get them ahead of the competition.

Now the next stage seems to be kicking in where people as well as paying for all they have already spent including the IR are willing to pay for massively expensive complex twin ratings.

For me this type of behaviour just destroys the career path for everyone except the very rich, and lets employers who can afford it completely off the hook.

Like I said a good employer invests in training for you, a bad employer will always take advantage of people who have gone far beyond the call of duty in paying for stuff and all you will do is feed this trend.

Lastly under EASA, as I understand it, all type ratings lapse completely after 3 years expiry and need a full type rating course to regain, so if you don't get a position after your self pay rating which is very possible, you could completely waste your $80k or equivalent :(

[apb]

...and I still can't see what's wrong with that. It's an investment I'm am willing to make just as my licence or my intrument rating was years ago.
:eek::eek::eek::ugh:

First, with your money you can do whatever you want but you can't justify that It's an "investment"...only see what´s going on in the fixed wing´s world. At least in the fixed wing´s world an A320 TR "only" cost 30.000 euros or less (but now that is not enough to get a job too, how everybody "invested" in a TR now you have to pay for a line training too)

[GoodGrief]

Paying for a rating is not uncommen at all. Most of the "civilian" pilots I know had to do it at least once.Am now into my 10th type, including 2 twins and haven't paid for any.All in Germany.
In fact my new employer just sent me off to multi No. 3.
Oh, the company hired 3 more pilots and they also got their training paid for, two of them are first time on twins.

Don't pay for your rating.You're sending the wrong signal and it's the wrong rating anyway.You go 139 they will need 92.You go 92, the offer will be for a 155.That's the way it is.

[Rotatohead]

Just to clarify: I will NOT pay for a COMPLETE rating but I am willing to pay for parts of it if that's what's necessary to get a guaranteed job.

How many employers are there that think like that? I agree that investing in employees allways pays off in the long run but most companies aren't interested in the long run.
I am competing agains pilots that, when they exit the military, get their ATPL, IR and type rating payed. Companies even make money out of that by overcharging for the ratings. They get payed a temporary allowance for a year that allows them to work for free which more than once got me kicked off the flight schedule recently.

@GoofGrief: Congrats!
Since I know the buisiness around here, I know how ratings are usually done. I can only think of very few companies that train to international standards and send their pilots to sim training.

[Rotatohead]

Sorry, guess we are going a little bit off topic now...
I just wanted to know the approx. cost for these ratings. Thanks!

[FC80]

You can't be surprised things are going off topic - similar thinking to yours has practically ruined the fixed wing job market.

[Jet Ranger]

Yes, but that´s not his fault. That´s the way it is. Unfortunately !

Recently we were witnesses where people pay for 155 TR to be employed ... and yes, they were employed after all !

JR

[Rotatohead]

And it's now on me to save the rotary business? In this case I will happily relinquish my pursuit of a better job with a professional operator.
Don't know what your're flying FC80 but if it's a 139 or bigger and your are payed more than 7k we could trade jobs! So you can prevent me from moral misconduct and safe the chastity of the helicopter business at the same time.

Seriously, I admit that it's doubtfull that this is the way to go, practicaly and morally, and a discerning operator might even find such an offer insulting but it is the last option I will have to consider befor being forced to consider a new career as a janitor.

[FC80]

I hear if you pay for your own mop there's a better chance of getting a job :E

Anyway, all the best to you in your search for work. I'm out.

[Rotatohead]

No! I wouldn't want to be responsible for the demise of the industrial cleaning bussiness! :=:=:=

[Adroight]

You'd probably earn more as a cleaner offshore - and you would not have to pay for your training costs.

[GoodGrief]

Sorry, but:
€5000 gross for a S76/JAR-IR(H) and you want to pay your way in.
Leave the friggin' country and double or triple yor net income. I did it:D

[Rotatohead]

No, I want to pay my way out :ugh:

[Heli2Brasil]

139 TR in Milan with Agusta is close to 85.000 euro's at the moment :eek:
Absolutely insane but all comes down to demand and supply I guess..

Hope you find a decent employer soon!

[Sky Sports]

Hi all, please could someone give me an up-to-date figure for the 92 and 139 type courses. Cheers

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Try Coptersafety in Finland - I did my 139 TR there last year for a shade under 50K Euros but that was SP VFR.

Their training is excellent.

[gulliBell]

Just apply to the training providers for a quote. There is an underutilized S92 sim in ZhuHai China that you might be able to swing a good deal on.