Reserve Liability

[sidewayspeak]

Have recently left - best piece of administration ever completed by the military:

Gratuity in the bank 10 days after exit date.
Final pay paid on last day of month and pension paid 6 days later.
Received my certificate of service, valedictory certificate, letter of thanks from CAS and my Lapel Badge too (whoopie).

My question; Valedictory Certificate states Nil Reserve Liability, which contradicts everything I had been previously told. So do I assume that is correct and no more blue/green/sandy uniform for me ever again?

[2Planks]

Reserve Liabilty does not normally extend beyond 55. Likewise if you are made resundant no reserve (but you have to apply)

[ShyTorque]

I thought my reserve liability had ended at the age of 55 but recently read that it may actually go on until the age of 60 for "retired" officers.

Never mind, I'm sure I'd still be a first class asset to any modern fighting service if only I could get through the medical and beep test, cough, cough, hobble.... Now, where's my glasses? :8

[baffman]

In fact the original DINs about Tranche 2 Redundancy stated that for the Naval Service and the RAF (but not the Army) the personnel concerned would be subject to the normal reserve liability applicable to their rank, age, type of engagement, etc.

Reserve liability after redundancy? (http://www.baff.org.uk/201201181366/reserve-liability-after-redundancy.html)

They may have relented somewhat after those DINs were issued?

[gijoe]

More fundamentally, what percentage do you think would be found if the Reserve Liability button was pressed?

I suggest it would be very low.

:ok:

[Willard Whyte]

Never mind, I'm sure I'd still be a first class asset to any modern fighting service if only I could get through the medical and beep test, cough, cough, hobble.... Now, where's my glasses?I appear to have forgotten how to polish my shoes in the last 3 months, nor do my beard and 'mungo jerries' meet military specifications.

Doubt whether I'd pass any equal opportunities screening either, and late I latterly developed verbal tourette's syndrome when speaking to senior officers.

[Flag Track]

Yes, I found that statement on my docs after completing 22yrs, I'd thought the old, "Up to age 60 but only up to 55" doo dah applied.
When I joined the TA they tried to 'transfer' my reserve liability and couldn't find any! I've often wondered why the RAF policy has changed.

I've heard various posters here and on ARrse say they've moved or they wouldn't be found if recalled, but everyone has an NI number don't they?


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[Two's in]

If you leave the country you normally just have to tell them and you are removed from the liability.

[ShyTorque]

But what happens when you come back?

[VinRouge]

Reserve liability? If they ever ring me up, they can expect cartmans response.

Especially seeing as they are cutting my pension.

Suck my balls Mr.Garrison - YouTube

[Pontius Navigator]

everyone has an NI number don't they?

DPA98 would probably kick in as they omitted any mechanism for the MOD to access the NI numbers!

it may actually go on until the age of 60 for "retired" officers.

Other than an encyclopaediac knowledge as demonstrated here what relevant skills could your near sextuarian bring to the party other than WIW . . . or Stop Me if You've Heard This.

[ShyTorque]

Well, I don't want to bring anything. Anyway, even "NATO standard" tea has changed since I left.... :p

Rather than have a set of encyclopedias for a brain, I cheat and just read stuff like this:

http://www.mod.uk/NR/rdonlyres/68DEEA3D-B384-419E-8FF9-F599F3EAAC19/0/424330_SPVA_GUIDE_P4562.pdf

[charliegolf]

I thought my reserve liability had ended at the age of 55 but recently read that it may actually go on until the age of 60 for "retired" officers.


Ship sailed shurely? :E

CG:

[Rigga]

I wouldn't worry about reserve service dates...If they find that they really do need your special services after all this time without it, they'll make sure you know about it - whether your in date or not.

At which point you'll be given a big stick - and made to sign for it.

[ShyTorque]

Ship sailed shurely?

No CG, sorry to disappoint. When you and I flew together, I obviously had a maturity way beyond my tender years. ;)

[ShyTorque]

Rigga, I've got a doctor's note about carrying big sticks. Health and safety risks and all that, can't be too careful at my age. Still, mustn't grumble. Even though the shrapnel in my leg tends to give me a bit of gip this cold weather.

I'm off to get some Vicks vapour rub on me chest and a hot Ovaltine drink to take to bed, before the wheezing gets worse (or was it wee-ing the doctor said? Better check that with nurse).

[Once A Brat]

You're confusing 2 things here:

Reserve Liability.....an amount of time where you can be recalled to support whatever operation HMG wants. If you have completed a pensionable length of service (22yrs, 16yrs or 18yrs depending on pension scheme and rank) then you usually do not have any reserve liability.

Recall Liability.....upto age 60 for retired Officers for defence of the nation only. The AP details exactly what!


If you leave on redundancy then you can apply for an exemption from both reserve and recall liabilities (if they apply), if you leave otherwise then you can't. Personally, I requested exemption since looking at how the Govt has tinkered with pensions then I don't trust a future Govt not to tinker with the applicability of my recall liability. If the Nation is truly threatened then if I am still young enough I'd volunteer, but I don't fancy more time on some jolly jape somewhere that is that years fancy!

Hope this helps!

[BEagle]

Once A Brat, very well explained - which is far more than the explanation outlined in the official publications ever was!

Call-out = getting dragged back for more underfunded military adventurism, such as one of Bliar's bring-a-bottle wars.

Recall = standing to in order to repel 'jackboots crossing the Channel'!

On PVR'-ing, I summarised my understanding of my remaining reserve liability in a letter to Binnsworth, adding that if there was no reply then I would assume that my understanding was correct. No reply, therefore any reserve liability ended on my 60th birthday...even though it was the new 40!

[sidewayspeak]

Once a Brat:

Thanks, that's exactly what I was looking for. I have certificate stating no Reserve Liability so only National Recall would see me return to Service. I think I can throw away last remaining bits of kit!

[2Planks]

I guess stopping the monthly pension payment would find most people!

[StopStart]

Have recently signed up for the RAuxAf I like to consider myself to now be a "Reserve Liability".

Aye thank yoo....

[baffman]

Granted, the chances of non-current aircrew being called out are pretty slim.

Granted also, reserve forces legislation originates pre-WW1 and, while revised a number of times since then, had its last major revisal shortly before the end of the Cold War.

It is wrong to suggest, however, that call out is not going to happen to anyone leaving the RAF, or that call out is only possible in the event of a direct UK emergency.

Regular RAF reservists WERE compulsorily called out for Op TELIC - BBC NEWS | UK | England | Suffolk | Muslim reservist loses Iraq case (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/suffolk/3722812.stm)

The current "FR 2020" (Future Reserves 2020) consultation is more concerned with the Volunteer Reserves but is also concerned with the Regular Reserves, including future changes to legislation. The consultation closes 18 Jan 2013.

Two of the questions in the FR20 consultation are:

Future Requirement for Regular Reserves

Q.7. For employers, would a more formal but limited liability for regular reservists affect your perception of the attractiveness of regular service leavers? Please provide reasons for your answer.

Q.8. For members and former members of the Armed Forces, how could regular reservists be incentivised to maintain their contact details to allow efficient call out when necessary?

Ministry of Defence | Defence News | Defence Policy and Business | Consultation launched on the future of Britain's Reserve Forces (http://www.mod.uk/DefenceInternet/DefenceNews/DefencePolicyAndBusiness/ConsultationLaunchedOnTheFutureOfBritainsReserveForces.htm)

[Courtney Mil]

A.7. I would feel that the likelihood of a key employee being removed from the workplace would act as a disincentive to employing ex-military personnel. I must, however, thank you for bringing this matter to my attention; I was previously unaware that employing ex-service personnel carried this risk.

A.8. If you require me to to maintain the physical standards of fitness and medical preparedness, you would need to provide for this. Furthermore, you would need to offer training and continuation opportunites to ensure that I am actually worth calling up. As for contact details, I would feel less uncomfortable about it if the exact nature of my liability were made clear to me. You made me redundant (compulsary), so I think you made your choice already.

[baffman]

Thanks CM!

Interestingly and perhaps worryingly for some, the consultation paper - while also speaking of encouraging regular reservists to join the volunteer reserve forces - mentions relying MORE heavily than at present on the skills available in the regular reserve, in times of need.

See p.21 of the paper, 'Future Requirement for Regular Reserves'.

[Lima Juliet]

If you want official 'chapter and verse' then read the document at the following link starting from Page 2:

http://www.mod.uk/NR/rdonlyres/68DEEA3D-B384-419E-8FF9-F599F3EAAC19/0/424330_SPVA_GUIDE_P4562.pdf

Your liability also depends on when you joined or changed your terms of service (Reserve Forces Acts RFA80 or RFA96).

I hope this helps

LJ

[ShyTorque]

LJ, See my post, #12 on the previous page. ;)

[Lima Juliet]

Oops! Probably missed it as I chuckled like a little boy to the South Park clip...:ok: