simurq
3rd Dec 2012, 20:00
Ok, first things first! I'm a hobbyist FS pilot developing a freeware program to lighten pre-flight load with all those time-consuming course, heading, GS, TAS, time-distance, and W&B calculations... ;)
There are two questions I would like to ask to real-world pilots/FIs before I complete the section of my program dealing with... atmospheric calculations, to be very brief:
1) This (http://skyvector.com/?ll=47.964425930865865,-122.54809570523315&chart=301&zoom=5&plan=A.K1.KHQM:G.47.51695337284182,-123.1640625020866:A.K1.WN00:G.48.11207709386317,-122.68066406460353:V.K1.NUW:F.K1.KIENO:A.K1.KBLI) is a custom flight route made up to make my point clear. As part of my pre-flight planning, I took a look at winds & temps aloft forecast data for the US Pacific West (http://aviationweather.gov/products/nws/sanfrancisco) area. Below is an excerpt from this data showing figures from 4 reporting stations in Washington, as necessary for this particular flight:
FD1US1
DATA BASED ON 031200Z
VALID 031800Z FOR USE 1400-2100Z. TEMPS NEG ABV 24000
Alt -> 3000 6000 9000
AST 2329 2329-02 2340-07
GEG 2526-02 2532-09
SEA 2323 2423-03 2339-09
YKM 2123 2536-01 2640-08
Question: Assuming the flight will take place at 7,500MSL and NOT necessarily over the above reporting stations, how can I interpolate W&T aloft for different enroute waypoints?
2) One of the well-known methods (http://williams.best.vwh.net/avform.htm#Mach) to calculate TAS is through density altitude (DA):
TAS = IAS / (1 - 6.8755856^10-6 * DA)^2.12794
But the resulting value is inevitably prone to error since DA is (almost?) always relies on density of dry air, even that reported by ASOS/AWOS (http://wahiduddin.net/calc/density_altitude.htm) stations. One way to correct for this "error" is to use a dew-point temperature reported for that particular measuring station, or the waypoint.
Question 1: Knowing that moist air will definitely affect TAS (by increasing DA), which is mainly used for time-distance calculations, can you please advise/show any real-world example of how you do (or, do not?) consider "wet density altitude" in your TAS calculations?
Question 2: How and where can I obtain dew-point or relative humidity data for flight planning purposes (not those reported in airfield surface METARs!), i.e. for different waypoints? Is it really possible, or you just interpolate, or maybe you don't even consider the air's moisture level during pre-flight?
I kindly ask you to be as specific as possible (no rules-of-thumb, please!) - your answers will help me to write the program in a more accurate way which, by its nature, must rely on concrete figures and formulas, not approximations. :cool:
Thank you very much in advance!!!
Rustam ALHAS
There are two questions I would like to ask to real-world pilots/FIs before I complete the section of my program dealing with... atmospheric calculations, to be very brief:
1) This (http://skyvector.com/?ll=47.964425930865865,-122.54809570523315&chart=301&zoom=5&plan=A.K1.KHQM:G.47.51695337284182,-123.1640625020866:A.K1.WN00:G.48.11207709386317,-122.68066406460353:V.K1.NUW:F.K1.KIENO:A.K1.KBLI) is a custom flight route made up to make my point clear. As part of my pre-flight planning, I took a look at winds & temps aloft forecast data for the US Pacific West (http://aviationweather.gov/products/nws/sanfrancisco) area. Below is an excerpt from this data showing figures from 4 reporting stations in Washington, as necessary for this particular flight:
FD1US1
DATA BASED ON 031200Z
VALID 031800Z FOR USE 1400-2100Z. TEMPS NEG ABV 24000
Alt -> 3000 6000 9000
AST 2329 2329-02 2340-07
GEG 2526-02 2532-09
SEA 2323 2423-03 2339-09
YKM 2123 2536-01 2640-08
Question: Assuming the flight will take place at 7,500MSL and NOT necessarily over the above reporting stations, how can I interpolate W&T aloft for different enroute waypoints?
2) One of the well-known methods (http://williams.best.vwh.net/avform.htm#Mach) to calculate TAS is through density altitude (DA):
TAS = IAS / (1 - 6.8755856^10-6 * DA)^2.12794
But the resulting value is inevitably prone to error since DA is (almost?) always relies on density of dry air, even that reported by ASOS/AWOS (http://wahiduddin.net/calc/density_altitude.htm) stations. One way to correct for this "error" is to use a dew-point temperature reported for that particular measuring station, or the waypoint.
Question 1: Knowing that moist air will definitely affect TAS (by increasing DA), which is mainly used for time-distance calculations, can you please advise/show any real-world example of how you do (or, do not?) consider "wet density altitude" in your TAS calculations?
Question 2: How and where can I obtain dew-point or relative humidity data for flight planning purposes (not those reported in airfield surface METARs!), i.e. for different waypoints? Is it really possible, or you just interpolate, or maybe you don't even consider the air's moisture level during pre-flight?
I kindly ask you to be as specific as possible (no rules-of-thumb, please!) - your answers will help me to write the program in a more accurate way which, by its nature, must rely on concrete figures and formulas, not approximations. :cool:
Thank you very much in advance!!!
Rustam ALHAS