Understatement of the Year

[taxydual]

Or can you do better?

A spokesman said such collisions were "fairly rare" and an inquiry has begun.

BBC News - Cruiser collides with nuclear sub off US East Coast (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-19940049)

[Herod]

So a "state of the art" cruiser didn't know there was a sub within 200mtrs. Real confidence-boosting stuff.

[green granite]

The same comment also applies to the sub I would have thought.

[M609]

Perhaps more so for the latter?

[Fox3WheresMyBanana]

Background
In shallower waters or anomalous water conditions, especially odd temperature gradients or saltiness variations, sonar performance can be seriously degraded. Add in that both ships may have been sneaking around at low revs looking for each other, and this kind of thing is possible without anyone having screwed up.

[sevenstrokeroll]

I heard that USS San Jaciento (cruiser, ticonderoga class) and USS Montpellier (sub, Los Angeles class) were training for ASW operations.

USS Montpellier went to periscope depth, stuck up its periscope and the lookouts on USS San Jaciento spotted it...OOD ordered full back, but collision happened.

Shirt happens when you play for keeps. IF sonar were perfect things might b e different...but it isn't.

and for you british types, Montpellier is the capital of the state of vermont...san jaciento a famous battle.

back in ww2, our subs were named for sea creatures, cruisers for cities. things have changed...attack subs for cities, missile subs for states and cruisers for battles

no injuries, both ships are maneuvering under own power.

[Robert Cooper]

Shouldn't that be manoeuvering? :E

Bob C

[Pontius]

Come on, he hasn't learnt to use capital letters yet, so spelling correctly is a long way off :)

[India Four Two]

so spelling correctly is a long way off http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/src:www.pprune.org/get/images/smilies/smile.gif


Yes. For the record, there's no "e" in San Jacinto and only one "l" in Montpelier. ;)

[sargs]

That's the shirtiest spelling I've seen in a long time....

[sitigeltfel]

and for you british types, Montpellier is the capital of the state of vermontA place so important that the French named a city just South of here after it ;)

[Cows getting bigger]

Shouldn't that be manoeuvering?

Bob C

Err, no. It should be manoeuvring. :ugh:

[4Greens]

Can't happen in the Royal Navy. There are no cruisers.

[GOLF_BRAVO_ZULU]

The last time I saw the TICONDEROGA (same Class) in Pompey, she was still a Destroyer. My, how quickly they grow up.

[Herod]

Actually, there are three battles of San Jacinto. The one I presume Sevenstrokeroll is referring to is the battle of 1836, which ironically didn't involve the United States. It was fought between Mexico and the Republic of Texas, which didn't become part of the USA until 1846. I stand ready to be corrected; my American history isn't up to par.

[OFBSLF]

The last time I saw the TICONDEROGA (same Class) in Pompey, she was still a Destroyer. My, how quickly they grow up.

The US Navy calls it a cruiser. The US Navy -- Fact File: Cruisers - CG (http://www.navy.mil/navydata/fact_display.asp?cid=4200&tid=800&ct=4)

[Wander00]

9,600 tons would, I guess, make it a "cruiser"

[SASless]

So a "state of the art" cruiser didn't know there was a sub within 200mtrs. Real confidence-boosting stuff.

The Sub got itself run over by a Target....and it is the Target's fault?

I would submit it was a Tie as to which side was at fault!

[GreenKnight121]

I don't know who told GBZ Tico was a destroyer... while that class were called destroyers during their planning and when Congress authorized them, they were redesignated as Guided Missile Cruisers (CG) on January 1, 1980... before the first keel was laid (21 January 1980).

Only the lead ship was formally ordered as a DDG... the other 26 were ordered in 1981 & later as CGs.

They were called cruisers when they were built, and they have been called cruisers ever since.

[Type1106]

Maybe it's just me....but what the hell has this to do with "Military Aircrew"?

[Lonewolf_50]

Some of us used to hunt submarines.
Some of us used to land on Ticonderoga class cruisers.

In the military. ;)
In aircraft.

For the record, USS San Jacinto (CG-57) is named for the battle during which Sam Houston led the not quite professional Texan forces against General Santa Anna's somewhat more professional Mexican forces, defeated them, and established the independence of the Republic of Texas.

(Capturing Santa Anna didn't hurt, as he was then the leading gent in Mexico ... and oft times styled himself the Napoleon of the West).

[Fox3WheresMyBanana]

and some of us provided air defence for those who hunted submarines, etc.

[GOLF_BRAVO_ZULU]

GreenKnight121, Sir; I can't argue against you. All I know is that she was listed on the harbour movements programme as DDG 47. Semaphore Tower didn't normally get Pendant Nos wrong as they usually recorded what they were told.

I remember her well. She was the ugliest warship I had seen; until I saw my first T45 in Glasgow.

[India Four Two]

General Santa Anna's somewhat more professional Mexican forces

Caught them napping. It was siesta time!

[Wensleydale]

back in ww2, our subs were named for sea creatures, cruisers for cities. things
have changed...attack subs for cities, missile subs for states and cruisers for
battles

When do they commission "USS Little Big Horn"?

[minigundiplomat]

oh hang on does that make the sub a cruiser as well?


I believe the term 'cruising' can have an alternative context to the Navy......

[Not_a_boffin]

Be fair - the Navy are some way behind (fnarr, fnarr) the RAF in this respect....

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Or was it another form of cruising you had in mind?

[dctyke]

When do they commission "USS Little Big Horn"?


That would be a 'brave' decision:)