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Flying Pinguin
13th Sep 2012, 11:24
Good morning everybody,

First of all I would like greet all the forum since it is my first post here.

I have a question regarding the design of throttle levers on GA aircraft:

Most of the aircraft have a standard design, with a lever pivoting on a fixed point in the dashboard like PA28 or Cessna's etc..
Some others have the lever designed as a stick with a button at the end that must be pushed or pulled inside/outside the dashboard (i.e.: Cap 10, P64 Bravo, Zlin 142...).

I would like to ask what is difference and what is the use of each of them, if there is an advantage in the final purpose of the aircraft (aerobatics?).

Thanks for any answer!

Flying Pinguin
14th Sep 2012, 14:21
It seems my question is not so interesting....
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Zio Nick
14th Sep 2012, 22:26
Have a look at this discussion:
Throttle On Cessna And The Like. — Tech Ops Forum | Airliners.net (http://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/tech_ops/read.main/37040/)
I think it contains some good answers to your doubt...
I had a similar doubt when I saw the first time the dashboard of a Zlin 242L (which now I am going to buy...)

pattern_is_full
15th Sep 2012, 01:19
The push-pull knob-on-a-stick controls originally were vernier controls. That is, they could be very finely adjusted by twisting the knob, which screwed them in or out in a threaded mount. Pushing the lock button disengaged the shaft from the threading, allowing them to be moved more quickly by straight in-and-out motion.

McFarlane Aviation Products - Vernier-Assist Mixture and Throttle Controls (http://www.mcfarlane-aviation.com/Details.aspx?Article=325)

Although in my own flight training at that level, I never knew about the vernier function, just the pulling and pushing. Small planes usually don't require tweaking the throttle in 1% increments. ;)

BTW - Cessna uses vernier knobs on the 172 and 152 airplanes. http://www.aerotrek.aero/photos/tech/throttle.jpg

The name "Vernier" comes from the scale invented by Pierre Vernier for extra-precise measurements and adjustments: Vernier scale - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vernier_scale)

The quadrant control (lever pivoting on a fixed point) is virtually always used on multi-engine aircraft, because it is much easier to grab 2-4 quadrant levers side by side, and move them together, than 2-4 vernier-type knobs sticking out from the panel.

In addition, it is easier to put a scale of settings beside a quadrant lever or levers (e.g. Reverse, Idle, Beta, Climb, TOGA) than it is to label a vernier control.

As the linked thread from Zio mentions, larger (i.e. multi-engine) planes will always have quadrants, so some manufacturers use them in their single-engine trainers as well, to get new pilots used to the design from the beginning.

Quadrant (lever) throttles are also generally used when the flight controls are via stick rather than yoke (everything from fighter planes to the Piper Cub), since the pilots of those planes use opposite hands for controls (right hand on stick, left hand on throttle) and the throttle is mounted on the side of the cockpit. And also in tandem-seating planes (again the Cub) if front and back seats both have throttle levers, each attached to the same rod or cable leading to the engine.

http://www.dfrc.nasa.gov/gallery/photo/F-18HARV/Medium/EC87-146-5.jpg

http://i443.photobucket.com/albums/qq158/dmdphotos/j3-2.jpg

Generally, vernier thottle knobs will be cheaper and simpler, while quadrant controls are more complex (requiring the quadrant itself and the pivot) - but there are lots of non-technical reasons to use one or the other as well: habit, or perceived stylishness or "professionalism" (like T-tails on tiny trainers ;) ) etc.

Zio Nick
15th Sep 2012, 07:12
Hey Pattern, that is what I call a complete explanation!
Good job, I learnt new stuff thanks to you!

Flying Pinguin
17th Sep 2012, 20:16
Thanks to everybody!
My curiosity is completely satisfied now...:D