Deadly 60 Tv show

[g-mady]

Anyone else just seen the B206 on the deadly 60 TV show? Pilot down in Brazil who is starting the aircraft standing outside the door!!

Surely if you can be bothered to stand there you can be bothered enough to get inside!!!!! :eek:
Different country different rules! :ugh:

MADY

[chopjock]

I suppose the pilot should have been strapped in too eh?

[OvertHawk]

Ah..... Chopcock's here - let the sport commence!!!:D

[g-mady]

not at all but wouldn't it be better to get in the aircraft? I have no issues starting a car from outside I might add...

[nigelh]

Personally I buckle up my seatbelt before I even do a ground run ...... Maybe that's just from my early days flying 300,s but I don't feel comfortable in any helicopter at the controls without being strapped in !!

[hillberg]

Had a pilot start a helicopter from the out side all the time-Heard later ,He did it one last time as the helicopter rolled on him. just takes that one time, Squished only once.

[parabellum]

And what, exactly, would be the point of starting it from outside? Thirty seconds more standing in cooler air perhaps?

If you elect not to strap in at any time when rotors are turning then, in the event of an accident, the Personal Accident insurers will only pay out 50% of the policy limits, as you will have been deemed 50% reponsible for causing your own injuries or demise, same as in your car when it is in motion. Might not bother you, if you have 'croaked', but your family may be a bit peed off about it.

[blackstump]

chopjock are you a knob or taking the rinse?


1/2 a dozen reasons i could think of to be in the machine and strapped in before cranking

[chopjock]

Well there are times when the engine needs to be running other than for the purpose of flight. Is it necessary to strap yourself in?
Also in this case perhaps the pilot did not want to climb over the cyclic with the blades turning.
Didn't say I agree with it. But I would not condemn the pilot either.

[TRC]

Well there are times when the engine needs to be running other than for the purpose of flight. Is it necessary to strap yourself in?

If you're capable of flight, you should be ready to fly - in all respects.
No exceptions.

[chopjock]

If you're capable of flight, you should be ready to fly - in all respects.
No exceptions.

So at ground idle, not being capable of flight...

[TRC]

I don't think we are reading from the same book.

Good luck.

[Thomas coupling]

Go Chopjock...go baby!

Remind me...what are the rules for leaving the seat if a helo with the rotors turning/engine running?

[SilsoeSid]

Pilot Exiting While Rotors Turning (http://www.pprune.org/rotorheads/303307-pilot-exiting-while-rotors-turning.html)

John Eacott
8th Apr 2010, 06:26
Also legal in Australia for skid helicopters with the controls locked (and a few other provisos). St Jack's scenario would certainly meet the requirements here for a skid helicopter: but in regards to which country's legislation is he asking?

CAO 95.7

7 Exemption from general requirement for pilot to be at controls

7.1 If the condition set out in paragraph 7.2 is complied with, a helicopter is exempt from compliance with subregulation 225 (1) (but not subregulation 225 (2)) and subregulation 230 (2) of the regulations.

7.2 The exemption given by paragraph 7.1, in relation to a helicopter, is subject to the condition that a pilot must, from the time of starting the engine or engines until the time of stopping the engine or engines at the end of the flight, be at the controls of the helicopter unless:
(a) the helicopter is fitted with skid type landing gear; and
(b) the helicopter is fitted with a serviceable means of locking the cyclic and collective controls; and
(c) if a passenger occupies a control seat fitted with fully or partially functioning controls or is seated in a position where he or she is able to interfere with such controls, the controls are locked and the pilot is satisfied that the passenger will not interfere with the controls; and
(d) the pilot considers that his or her absence from the cockpit is essential to the safety of the helicopter or of the persons on, or in the vicinity of, the helicopter; and
(e) the pilot remains in the immediate vicinity of the helicopter.

However in that thread there is also the report of a pilot being fatally injured while doing so....so much for remaining in the immediate vicinity!!!

[PITCH LINK]

And what if your starting on external power with no ground crew!

[OvertHawk]

Pitch link - where does it say in the flight manual that you can ignore certain aspects of that document if they are inconvenient?

Every helicopter i have ever flown requires a pilot to be at the controls whenever the rotors are turning - i stand to be corrected if there are machines where it is not an RFM requirement.

OH

[John R81]

Section 7(2)(d) - not sure how you would satisfy that one if it is only "convenient", "helpful" or "essential to start the helicopter".

[fadecdegraded]

Overthawk I agree with staying at the controls but sometimes you just gotta get out its no big deal.
As far as the RFM stating that the pilot must stay at the controls Eurocopter are the only ones I know of that state that and not on all there types either the ec120 being one that does and maybe the 355N FM also can't remember but can't say I've seen it any where else

[theavionicsbloke]

Neither do they tell you to wipe your backside after you have had a sh%^t !

[TunaSandwich]

I would never start the Helicopter whilst not at the controls and strapped in (unless my life depended on it). However once everything is stabilized and locked in place I have been in many air work situations where I just gotta pee!! (or just stretch my old back!) so step down to do the necessary with headset in place. Shutting down for just a couple of minutes in high ambient temps. just never seemed appropriate. Also as Pitch link refers I have started up with an external battery with no ground crew so once after start checks done stepped down to disconnect. I have to say though that I've never done it in a PAX carrying op.
TS

[TRC]

The subject of pilots leaving the cockpit of a running helicopter has been done to death so many times on Rotorheads.

The question here is why did the pilot start the helicopter from outside - why didn't he get in and start it in the usual way?

I guess it might be a combination of showing off and sheer bone-idleness - neither trait is ideal in a pilot in my view.

We all know when and why pilots might leave the helicopter running, it's been explained/justified/argued about since the old king died.