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Anyone else just seen the B206 on the deadly 60 TV show? Pilot down in Brazil who is starting the aircraft standing outside the door!!
Surely if you can be bothered to stand there you can be bothered enough to get inside!!!!!
Different country different rules!
MADY
Surely if you can be bothered to stand there you can be bothered enough to get inside!!!!!
Different country different rules!
MADY
Personally I buckle up my seatbelt before I even do a ground run ...... Maybe that's just from my early days flying 300,s but I don't feel comfortable in any helicopter at the controls without being strapped in !!
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Had a pilot start a helicopter from the out side all the time-Heard later ,He did it one last time as the helicopter rolled on him. just takes that one time, Squished only once.
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And what, exactly, would be the point of starting it from outside? Thirty seconds more standing in cooler air perhaps?
If you elect not to strap in at any time when rotors are turning then, in the event of an accident, the Personal Accident insurers will only pay out 50% of the policy limits, as you will have been deemed 50% reponsible for causing your own injuries or demise, same as in your car when it is in motion. Might not bother you, if you have 'croaked', but your family may be a bit peed off about it.
If you elect not to strap in at any time when rotors are turning then, in the event of an accident, the Personal Accident insurers will only pay out 50% of the policy limits, as you will have been deemed 50% reponsible for causing your own injuries or demise, same as in your car when it is in motion. Might not bother you, if you have 'croaked', but your family may be a bit peed off about it.
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Well there are times when the engine needs to be running other than for the purpose of flight. Is it necessary to strap yourself in?
Also in this case perhaps the pilot did not want to climb over the cyclic with the blades turning.
Didn't say I agree with it. But I would not condemn the pilot either.
Also in this case perhaps the pilot did not want to climb over the cyclic with the blades turning.
Didn't say I agree with it. But I would not condemn the pilot either.
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Well there are times when the engine needs to be running other than for the purpose of flight. Is it necessary to strap yourself in?
No exceptions.
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Pilot Exiting While Rotors Turning
However in that thread there is also the report of a pilot being fatally injured while doing so....so much for remaining in the immediate vicinity!!!
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8th Apr 2010, 06:26
Also legal in Australia for skid helicopters with the controls locked (and a few other provisos). St Jack's scenario would certainly meet the requirements here for a skid helicopter: but in regards to which country's legislation is he asking?
CAO 95.7
7 Exemption from general requirement for pilot to be at controls
7.1 If the condition set out in paragraph 7.2 is complied with, a helicopter is exempt from compliance with subregulation 225 (1) (but not subregulation 225 (2)) and subregulation 230 (2) of the regulations.
7.2 The exemption given by paragraph 7.1, in relation to a helicopter, is subject to the condition that a pilot must, from the time of starting the engine or engines until the time of stopping the engine or engines at the end of the flight, be at the controls of the helicopter unless:
(a) the helicopter is fitted with skid type landing gear; and
(b) the helicopter is fitted with a serviceable means of locking the cyclic and collective controls; and
(c) if a passenger occupies a control seat fitted with fully or partially functioning controls or is seated in a position where he or she is able to interfere with such controls, the controls are locked and the pilot is satisfied that the passenger will not interfere with the controls; and
(d) the pilot considers that his or her absence from the cockpit is essential to the safety of the helicopter or of the persons on, or in the vicinity of, the helicopter; and
(e) the pilot remains in the immediate vicinity of the helicopter.
8th Apr 2010, 06:26
Also legal in Australia for skid helicopters with the controls locked (and a few other provisos). St Jack's scenario would certainly meet the requirements here for a skid helicopter: but in regards to which country's legislation is he asking?
CAO 95.7
7 Exemption from general requirement for pilot to be at controls
7.1 If the condition set out in paragraph 7.2 is complied with, a helicopter is exempt from compliance with subregulation 225 (1) (but not subregulation 225 (2)) and subregulation 230 (2) of the regulations.
7.2 The exemption given by paragraph 7.1, in relation to a helicopter, is subject to the condition that a pilot must, from the time of starting the engine or engines until the time of stopping the engine or engines at the end of the flight, be at the controls of the helicopter unless:
(a) the helicopter is fitted with skid type landing gear; and
(b) the helicopter is fitted with a serviceable means of locking the cyclic and collective controls; and
(c) if a passenger occupies a control seat fitted with fully or partially functioning controls or is seated in a position where he or she is able to interfere with such controls, the controls are locked and the pilot is satisfied that the passenger will not interfere with the controls; and
(d) the pilot considers that his or her absence from the cockpit is essential to the safety of the helicopter or of the persons on, or in the vicinity of, the helicopter; and
(e) the pilot remains in the immediate vicinity of the helicopter.
Pitch link - where does it say in the flight manual that you can ignore certain aspects of that document if they are inconvenient?
Every helicopter i have ever flown requires a pilot to be at the controls whenever the rotors are turning - i stand to be corrected if there are machines where it is not an RFM requirement.
OH
Every helicopter i have ever flown requires a pilot to be at the controls whenever the rotors are turning - i stand to be corrected if there are machines where it is not an RFM requirement.
OH
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Overthawk I agree with staying at the controls but sometimes you just gotta get out its no big deal.
As far as the RFM stating that the pilot must stay at the controls Eurocopter are the only ones I know of that state that and not on all there types either the ec120 being one that does and maybe the 355N FM also can't remember but can't say I've seen it any where else
As far as the RFM stating that the pilot must stay at the controls Eurocopter are the only ones I know of that state that and not on all there types either the ec120 being one that does and maybe the 355N FM also can't remember but can't say I've seen it any where else
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I would never start the Helicopter whilst not at the controls and strapped in (unless my life depended on it). However once everything is stabilized and locked in place I have been in many air work situations where I just gotta pee!! (or just stretch my old back!) so step down to do the necessary with headset in place. Shutting down for just a couple of minutes in high ambient temps. just never seemed appropriate. Also as Pitch link refers I have started up with an external battery with no ground crew so once after start checks done stepped down to disconnect. I have to say though that I've never done it in a PAX carrying op.
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