6th Jun 2012, 10:31
Not sure if this is posted in the correct section but can't find a suitable one. Logbooks...!
Mine is almost full and have been looking around for a new one. Is the CAP407 now fully compliant with JAR (EASA) or is it still out of date? CAP 807 doesn't mention anything and neither does the CAA's own website.
I currently have a Jeppessen Professional logbook.
Am flying jets and instructing.
Genghis the Engineer
6th Jun 2012, 12:32
Does "JAR compliant" or "EASA Compliant" actually mean anything?
I have an elderly Airtour (now Pooleys) commercial logbook, that has no statement of compliance with anything.
Holding CAA & JAA original licences plus FAA and Transport-Canada piggyback licences, none of them have ever had the slightest concerns about it.
I suspect that if you've had no problems with your current Jeppessen logbook, buy another one the same. If you prefer something else buy that - but there really seem to be no issues anywhere.
Dan the weegie
6th Jun 2012, 20:44
Fairly sure if you record date, time, duration, PIC/Instructor/Dual/Co-Pilot and IF with total time then you could write it on just about anything, it's not what you write it on but the content :).
I'm fairly sure there's a summary of what needs to be logged in PART FCL but I can't remember where and have no desire to go looking for it again.
As has been said, it doesn't matter in what manner you make a record, as long as you do and that it includes the appropriate items.
From EASA Part-FCL:
FCL.050 Recording of flight time
The pilot shall keep a reliable record of the details of all flights flown in a form and manner established by the competent authority.
From the ANO:
(1) Every member of the flight crew of an aircraft registered in the United Kingdom and every person who engages in flying for the purpose of qualifying for the grant or renewal of a licence under this Order must keep a personal flying log book in which the following information must be recorded:
(a) the name and address of the holder of the log book;
(b) detailed information about the holder's licence (if any) to act as a member of the flight crew of an aircraft; and
(c) the name and address of the holder's employer (if any).
(2) Detailed information about each flight during which the holder of the logbook acted either as a member of the flight crew of an aircraft or for the purpose of qualifying for the grant or renewal of a licence under this Order must be recorded in the log book as soon as reasonably practicable after the end of each flight.
(3) The information recorded in accordance with paragraph (2) must include:
(a) the date, the places at which the holder of the log book embarked on and disembarked from the aircraft and the time spent during the course of a flight when the holder was acting in either capacity;
(b) the type and registration marks of the aircraft;
(c) the capacity in which the holder acted in flight;
(d) information about any special conditions under which the flight was conducted, including night flying and instrument flying; and
(e) information about any test or examination undertaken by the holder of the logbook whilst in flight.
(4) Information about any test or examination undertaken whilst in a flight simulator must be recorded in the log book, including:
(a) the date of the test or examination;
(b) the type of simulator;
(c) the capacity in which the holder acted; and
(d) the nature of the test or examination.
It's up to you whether you choose a traditional hardback bound logbook of some kind, a software program (which you may print out when needed), or some bits of paper in a binder. It doesn't matter what format you opt for, as long as you keep the required information.
I suspect "JAR-Compliant" is simply marketing speak for, has suitable columns and spaces to record the specified data.
6th Jun 2012, 22:05
CAP 804 Section EPart E Personal Flying Logs and recording of Flight Time4 Format of the record
4.1 Details of flights flown for commercial air transport may be recorded in a
computerised format maintained by the operator. In this case an operator should
make the records of all flights operated by the pilot, including differences and
familiarisation training, available upon request to the flight crew member concerned.
4.2 For other flights, the pilot must record the details of the flights flown in a log. The
following format is strongly recommended