PPRuNe Forums > Flight Deck Forums > Tech Log > Continental TSIO-360 rated power PDA View Full Version : Continental TSIO-360 rated power Lumps1st Jun 2012, 12:26Can someone explain why the tsio360eb is rated to 215hp at 12,000ft, compared to 200hp at sea level and what the 'orifice' has to do with this. flyboyike2nd Jun 2012, 16:53My guess would be that the turbocharger is limited to some lesser boost pressure at sea level as opposed to 12,000 feet due to CHT/EGT concerns. My opinion only. FlyingStone2nd Jun 2012, 17:33One of the main limitations of turbocharged engines is manifold pressure, which is limited to let's say 40 inHg. For example, the aircraft is stationairy at sea level, ISA conditions. The air is entering turbocharger with temperature 15°C and it has a pressure of 40 inHg, so we calculate density of the air: T = 15°C = 273.15 + 15 = 288.15 K p = 40" = 1.3544 bar = 135440 Pa R = 287 J/(kg*K) RhoMSL = p/(R*T) = 135440/(287*288.15) = 1.6378 kg/m^3 The TCDS for TSIO-360-EB shows that it has a critical altitude altitude of 12.000 ft (maximum altitude at which turbocharger can provide maximum manifold pressure), which means that the air is colder than at sea level and the density of the air is a bit higher: T = 288.15 - 12 * 2 = 264.15 p = 135440 Pa Rho12000 = p/(R*T) = 135440/(287*264.15) = 1.7865 kg/m^3 Since piston engine power is (very, very simplified) more or less a function of the density of the intake air (assuming constant air to fuel ratio, etc.), since if we have constant air to fuel ratio, increasing of density of the air will also increase the mass flow of the fuel, more fuel will burn and the power output will be higher. So we can calculate difference between densities of the air at MSL and 12.000ft: 1.7865 / 1.6378 = 1.09 = 109% So if the engine is producing 200hp at sea level, it will produce 200 x 1,09 = 218 hp at 12.000 ft, which is close to 215 hp which is stated in TCDS. Do note that this is over simplified just to show basic principles of increasing power with increasing altitude (up to critical altitude) in turbocharged engines. Rating, ICAO or ARDC, standard atmosphere Max. continuous hp, r.p.m., in. Hg at: Critical altitude, ft. 215-2575-40-12,000 Sea level pressure altitude 200-2575-40 Takeoff hp, 5 min., rpm, full 200-2575-40 throttle at sea level pressure altitude So basically, the maximum manifold pressure (40") and maximum RPM (2575) remains the same and the power output is higher at critical altitude than at MSL. barit12nd Jun 2012, 18:58Also, at altitude, the back-pressure on the exhaust is less, thus better exhaust scavenging. Lumps3rd Jun 2012, 23:11Flying stone - were you taking into account the larger increase in induction air temperature at 12,000 ft compared to SL? (and corresponding decrease in density). There is no intercooler in the system. If indeed this happens in a fixed-bleed turbocharging system.