refueling procedure

[stallwing]

Somebody knows if there is a refueling procedure (for B737 ) with one main engine running?????.......

I mean Boeing procedure or military procedure or for BBJ ??
or a special company procedure approved ????

tks............

[FS-chick]

Taxi to stand, shut down #1, pax off, start #1 with #2 and shut down #2.

Upload fuel, start #2 with #1 and shut down #1, pax on and done.

[stallwing]

yes... looks great ...

but I m looking for something of official ......
:ok:

[Pub User]

Why would you want to do this?

[Whinging Tinny]

Why would you want to do this?APU inop, land at remote station with no ASU available.

[Intruder]

"Something official" would come from Boeing, not PPRuNe...

[stallwing]

I could'nt find in the boeing site probably it 's written in the after-password area !!
I need just a procedure ( by military , special company sop , other type of airplane ) :ok: tks

[I-WEBA]

I think your question deals with an official investigation started by Enac against Air Italy which perfomed engine running refuelling with pax on board

[Intruder]

I could'nt find in the boeing site probably it 's written in the after-password area !!
I need just a procedure ( by military , special company sop , other type of airplane
Have your Chief Pilot or Director of Operations call Boeing Customer Support. Boeing does not publish airplane-specific procedures or policies on their open web site.

Why do you think a procedure on another type of airplane would apply "officially" to yours? Why do you think a military procedure would be advisable in a civilian operation?

[B-HKD]

Bob knew best. Always.

Personally developed the manual/procedures, and company policy for refueling Lockheed TriStars with number two engine running...what has to be done at more remote locations...is done, on a regular basis.

Nothing especially new.

PPRuNe just isn't the same without 411A

[EW73]

As far as I am aware, there are no published Boeing procedures applicable to the B737NG series that includes hot refueling.
That includes military operations.

The closest I get is refueling using battery power, no AC.

Cheers,
EW73

[ETOPS_1965]

EU rule 859/2008 , OPS 1.305, appendix 1 :

Refuelling/defueling with passengers embarking, on board or disembarking...

(9) The ground area beneath the exits intended for emergency evacuation and slide deployment areas must be kept clear; and
(10) Provision is made for a safe and rapid evacuation.

it doesn't say that engines must NOT be running, but - to me - it's a big nay...:=

[Agent86]

My Boeing Fleet had a solution published back in 2000 (BCS381). I don't have access anymore but it should still be there for those that have. The preamble states
We are aware that other operators have developed their own procedures for refueling and for loading/off loading passengers and baggage with an engine running. These procedures were developed to support operations at airports which lack external electrical power or engine ground start equipment when an airplane arrived with an inoperative APU. Although such a procedure can be conducted with reasonable safety, the Boeing position is that it may only be used in exceptional and temporary circumstances and with qualified and well briefed flight crew, cabin staff and maintenance/ground service personnel. This would be considered a non-routine emergency procedure as defined in FAA advisory circular 150/5230-4 and would not be hazardous provided the following procedures and precautions, in addition to standard precautions used during refueling operations, are followed. and continues with a number of conditions concluding with The proceeding comments generally apply to all Boeing airplanes.

I am not going to post the full details here. Those that need it can get it from Boeing.

[chimbu warrior]

Airbus publish a procedure in PRO/SUP to accomplish this (sorry I do not have Airbus manuals, so cannot provide an exact reference).

I've also seen the procedure in a manual for a Boeing operator, and it basically reflects what FS chick described above. Only ever used the procedure once (at night, with no jetway) and was very uncomfortable about the whole thing.