Pakastan Top Gun vs Indian........

[D John]

Just had to share this funny bit.........

"Now you are watching a real video of Indian aircrafts attack on Pakistan. Then Pakistani Air force defend that and destroy the Indian Air toys."

Indian Air Craft Attack on Pakistani air base.wmv - YouTube

They just happen to have a camera on the radar guy, the 'ADF' officer, 2 cameras on the pilot, three cameras on the pilots running to their aircraft and closeups of the 'Indian Air Force' aircraft as they explode.......... looks like a Pakistani version of 'Top Gun'.

cheers,

-D John:ok:

[Geehovah]

I think that might be for the domestic market!:sad:

[D John]

Yep,

the locals probably liked the film, the PAF were made out to be pretty good, (not so good at catching SEAL teams in helicopters though):)

cheers,

-John:ok:

[tonker]

Why have they camouflaged the inside of their hanger?

[Pontius Navigator]

I love the way the good guys fly left-right and the baddies right-left.

[high spirits]

I hope that this was a tongue-in-cheek p!sstake of Top Gun. If not, it's totally hilarious anyway.

[Load Toad]

All that was missing was standing on an aircraft carrier with 'Mission Over' in the background really.

[The Wawa Zone]

I don'y know why, but all I can think of when I hear those accents is Peter Sellers about to turn up with a false moustache :)

[sisemen]

It has "Recruiting Film" stamped all over it. The RAF used to produce loads of crap like this for training and recruiting films.

At least in my day they used real aircraft and real people. It would seem from this example that the only thing affordable is a flight sim!

Note also the brisk wind right up the jetpipe on take off :eek:

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[cazatou]

Just where exactly is Pakastan?:ugh:

[Load Toad]

To the left of Allbranistan.

[dagama]

Pak - a failed state in dire need of a reality check. The UK and US will give money so that it can sponsor terrorism. The vid is for local consumption.

[denlopviper]

dagama

say what you may, you need us

[Sir George Cayley]

Wasn't the first guy Freddie Mercury?

SGC

[500N]

Pakistan - a state with a great rivalry with India but one that is stuck well in the past fighting "little political" battles within itself while India has moved on and is progressing ahead economically that it will have won the rivalry with Pakistan without fighting any actual military battles.

[denlopviper]

yet we achieved nuclear status (regardless of how, fact is we are), is the largest contributors to UN peace keeping force and is doing well enough with less than 5% of the population actually paying taxes, is expanding the military (since most are chinese inductions, military aid from the US can NOT be used to buy chinese equipment)

i'd say we are doing ok...

you havnt been to india have you? there are 2 sides to every story. go and see for yourself since you wont believe a word a pakistani tells about india lol


PS

i will never deny that if the US or even India attacks us, the military will be decimated within 4 weeks, but we wont be as forgiving as the vietnamese were to the US.

but then again, if are to go down, why not fire the first nuke right.

and thats exactly why the west or india will never go to war with pakistan. :E

[500N]

I have actually been to India, all be it a while ago.

Nuclear armed while the civilian population lives in poverty.

"is doing well enough with less than 5% of the population actually paying taxes,"
Sounds like accepting mediocrity to me - doing "well enough" is resting on your laurels to stay where you are at currently as opposed to striving for better. But that is my HO.

Re the UN, well I have such a low opinion of the UN so providing a high level of troops to PK ops doesn't wash with me. Bill and Melinda Gates foundation, by cutting out all the bureaucracy did more for immunization in a short time and really showed up the UN and the UN building of empires.

"expanding the military", no doubt there, considering the Military runs the country. Everyone else just seems to live at the low end of the scale and a low quality of life.

So if your military is so good and big with all the latest toys, why does Australia have to provide basic support during your floods ? Op Assist 1 and Assist 11, Helicopter support, Medical support and Water Purification / Food Distribution.

I also saw on a recent report the Pakistan President visiting flooded communities the other day, the same ones who complained about a lack of support the last time it flooded in the last couple of years. Same complaints, lack of shelter, water, food. Sometimes the simplest things are the easiest to achieve, small water purification plants, miniature solar energy set up that also produces water at the same time as Electricity - these things are NOT expensive but greatly improve quality of life.

Years ago, a relative of mine visited India and the region and his comment on his return was that instead of pouring millions of $$ in aid into the region they would be better off giving everyone a Wheelbarrow, shovel, fork and a rake !!!

However, I am OPEN MINDED so please enlighten me as to why I am wrong and India is not leaving Pakistan for dead.

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[denlopviper]

by well enough i meant getting by and relying less and less on foreign aid. there is enough money in the country to pay off all the debt the country has, but only if the people want to.

of course we want to progress and we are. we have just been made famous for all the wrong reasons. you can read about the economics on the internet, its all there

the UN thing as an example.

we lack in helicopters period. its no big secret. most of our equipment is busy on the afghan border providing support to combat ops and trying to control the inflow and outflow of people. the australians are providing medical specialists.

the things you mentioned are so easy to say but not as easy to implement. there is a power shortage in the entire country, not just the flood affected areas. i am sitting in the capital and theres been no power here for half the night. its not because there isnt enough production capacity, its because of politics.

btw they were provided with everything, i know because i went out there to hand out the things myself. now if they decide its in their interest to sell the stuff and make money off it, its not our fault

the security in the country isnt as bad as the media makes it out to be. i mean come on, i just attended an open concert with american jazz band Ari Roland and Quartet playing.

[20driver]

If this was real there would be a song and dance number at the end. I saw song, no dance, therefore fake.

[500N]

"i will never deny that if the US or even India attacks us, the military will be decimated within 4 weeks, but we wont be as forgiving as the vietnamese were to the US."

4 weeks ???

And do you really think the US attack you ? What do you have that the US really wants to attack you over ? Unless of course you really go over to supporting the other side in an OVERT way as opposed to how you are currently doing it in a clandestine way like you at the moment which is hedging your bets and taking money from the US at the same time as hindering them.

Also, you better turn on your radar first otherwise you might not actually know they are invading :O. You can't fight an enemy if you don't know they are there.

Oh, and of course close the big wide open hole in your defenses that let's a foreign military power in and out without any retaliation - or before you actually knew they had been and gone :O

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[sisemen]

most of our equipment is busy on the afghan border providing support to combat ops

Yeah, but whose side??

Don't forget that all you guys are Indian. It's purely religion that has separated you and if you continue to dismantle a secular state and let the loony religious nuts take charge then you are doomed.

You would think you would have learned from places like Ireland.

[denlopviper]

N500

what makes you think it wasnt a joint op, just because the US said it was? we knew, marked and prep'ed the target. the US still managed to lose a chopper. the mission was launched from a pakistan army field less than 30 miles from abbotabad, lets leave it at that.

i mean seriously, you guys are talking about an intel community who didnt see 9/11 coming, who mark weddings as terrorist meets for air strikes, with agents stupid enough to kill 2 kids in broad day light in public and get captured by civilians. you really think pulling off an op of this scale without support was possible for them?

do i think the US will go to war with us. nope, unless they want to get nuked.

frankly i am just offended. over 7000 pakistani troops dead, over 35000 killed in US drone strikes, and you still ask us whose side we are playing on. with those kinds of figures, ofcourse we'll talk to the otherside to safeguard out civilians.


Sisemen

supporting the pakistan army.

we were founded as a secular state, but then changed to an Islamic republic in 1956. the religious nuts will never take over this country, the army will see to that. and yes we all have the same background. the fight between the countries is a political one. the military actually get along with their counter parts across the broder

[dagama]

denlopviper

You are proving what I said earlier - head buried in sand. Pak needs to stop whinging about loss of life to terror attacks when it does not deal with the home grown terrorists.

The ISI is in charge of the country and the so-called democratically elected governmet in just a conduit for aid and funds to be channeled to the ISI. It is shameful the the poor are left to fend for themselves while the haves lead a life of luxury and I suspect you are one of them.

Admiral Mullen has said what needed to be said some years ago. The need for each other is mutual so don't get smug that UK/USA need Pak more than vice versa.

Pak is in denial about terrorism because the ISI wants it that way. End of. Time to become a proper state but that can only begin if you accept how and why Pak is at this conjuncture.:ugh:

[jamesdevice]

on September 11, 2001 I was working in the call centre of a well-known computer company in East Lancashire, that had around 70% Asian employees, virtually all of Pakistani origin. As we watched the Trade Centre towers collapse on TV there was almost universal cheering and applause, with numerous comments on the lines of "the Yanks deserve it" and "good riddance". I got quite annoyed and did my best to explain they were watching around 4,000 people dying (that was my rough guess). Most of them didn't give a damn. They were happy to see dead Americans. Since then I've had no time for Pakistanis, and I find it impossible to believe that we could ever trust them as a nation.

[jamesdevice]

"over 35000 killed in US drone strikes"

are you being serious?

[500N]

""over 35000 killed in US drone strikes"
are you being serious?"

Didn't we have someone else on here say something similar but never actually backed up what he said ?


denlopviper
They did see 9/11 coming, they just hadn't connected the dots. Hindsight bias is a wonderful thing.

Yes, I do believe the US could pull off the Op without internal support.
If I had the choice of planning an Op self supported or with your support, of what little I know, I'd go self supported. Various senior US officials don't sprout off in the media about ISI/Pakistan support of terrorism for nothing.
they didn't become head of the CIA or Chairman of the Joint Chief's by being stupid and opening their mouths at the wrong time.

"we knew, marked and prep'ed the target" With the IR/UV/Laser and other technology live NV the US has available, I doubt they needed you to mark the target.

The loss of the US helo has been explained. You expect things to go wrong / change on Ops, that's why you have plan B, C and D, E, F and G as things develop and extraction is required. The US had a plan B, implemented it and carried on.
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[jamesdevice]

It has to be a misreading of this page headline or something like it:
Drones | Every Casualty (http://www.everycasualty.org/tags/drones)

"Drones
Pakistan: at least 35,000 killed in undocumented war "


if you actually read the article linked from on that page, it states:
"The U.S. began its semi-covert campaign of drone strikes in 2004 to kill Al Qaeda and Taliban forces based in Northern Pakistan. These strikes have killed about 2,000 people, including civilians. "
Pakistani Civilians | Costs of War (http://costsofwar.org/article/pakistani-civilians)

of course the reliability of these figures is up for debate anyway: truth is a variable when discussing this kind of statistic

[Hedge36]

yet we achieved nuclear status (regardless of how, fact is we are)


Speaking as a member of the only country to ever exercise that status in anger, I wouldn't get too excited about your special status symbol. The achievement is, at this point, purely a matter of financial investment combined with a willingness to pay attention to written instruction. Big deal.


but we wont be as forgiving as the vietnamese were to the US.


Do you get into a lot of bar fights?


but then again, if are to go down, why not fire the first nuke right.


Oh, I see - you're 26.

[500N]

Denlopviper

Any comment on this ?

Osama bin Laden's bodyguard freed by Pakistan

Pakistan has freed a senior al-Qaeda commander, who served as a bodyguard to Osama bin Laden, according to a senior security source, raising fresh questions about the country's commitment to tackling terrorism.

[500N]

In your previous posts, you mentioned
- "famous for all the wrong reasons. you can read about the economics on the internet, its all there"
- "i'd say we are doing ok...

"you havnt been to india have you? there are 2 sides to every story. go and see for yourself since you wont believe a word a pakistani tells about india lol"

I can also read that Pakistan is known for "illiteracy, corruption, poverty and terrorism"

Now the economics Using Pakistan and India
IMF Figures List of Economies by Incremental Nominal GDP from

1980 to 1990 Pak ranked 35th India ranked 13th
1991 - 2000 Pak ranked 36th India ranked 9th
2001 - 2010 Pak didn't rank in the top 40 India ranked 7th

India over the next 20 years will do a Japan, China and others, becoming a player by Economics instead of war.

Inida is already on Australia's radar because of the huge increases in resources purchased over the last few years. I am sure they aren't stockpiling Coking coal and Thermal on the wharves. I wonder if they might just be adding iron ore to make steel and building millions of cars ?

Economically, India will leave Pakistan for dead in the next 10 years.
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[tarantonight]

Is that guy at the beginning Freddie Mercury?