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mad_jock
30th Jun 2011, 11:37
http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/175/Flight%20Crew%20Licensing%20Transactions%20April%202009%20to %20March%202010.pdf

195 thats alot of instructors kicking about.

But a cool £1 117 000 for the training folk.

mad_jock
30th Jun 2011, 11:59
nah thats just folk upgrading which can happen at any time. Some pilots leave it until they are about to get upgraded others as soon as they hit all the numbers.

Its the cpl issued v number of ratings which you need to look at. And remember than some of those ratings will be second ones.

Its still under 50% of the cpl's issued and if you add last year it won't have been better its nearly 1200 unemployed pilots entering the market.

Whopity
30th Jun 2011, 12:59
But a cool £1 117 000 for the training folk.
Then subtract aircraft cost at say £140per hour and you are left with 24375 hours of ground training for £298,000 or £12.22 per hour. Not a very profitable business!

mad_jock
30th Jun 2011, 14:20
Not so bad if you do 4 of them at once.

Mind you the upkeep of your ratings must cost quite a bit as well.

Add in fix costs of buildings etc.....

All takes its toll.

Whopity
30th Jun 2011, 15:15
Not so bad if you do 4 of them at once.I doubt that any FTO is approved to do that!

mad_jock
30th Jun 2011, 15:59
What 4 in the ground school? I can think of a couple that do.

BillieBob
30th Jun 2011, 16:02
Not so bad if you do 4 of them at once.Unfortunately, it doesn't work like that. Sure, you can get all four together for the 25 hours of Teaching and Learning, for the 'gives' of the pre-flight briefings and for lesson planning exercises (say about another 30 hours). That still leaves something in the region of 70 hours classroom practice for each student and at least 25 hours of dual flight instruction (assuming 5 hours mutual).

mad_jock
30th Jun 2011, 16:13
Fair enough.

max_continuous
30th Jun 2011, 22:57
I'd be interested to see a geographic breakdown of the 195 across the UK (purely out of curiousity), shame they don't publish them.

As things stand at the moment, and only based on what I've heard, there is apparently only one person conducting initial FI rating courses in Jock-land on a permanent basis and there's quite a waiting list.

Whopity
3rd Jul 2011, 12:35
shame they don't publish them.I think the 195 is the total number of FIs trained however; the location of the FTOs is published here (http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/33/srg_lts%20ApprovedSchoolsList_Doc31v104.pdf)

mad_jock
3rd Jul 2011, 19:41
The location of the FIC's up north is very well known.

Lovet does his CFS ready FIC's in Tayside when he really has to for instructors for tayside.

And Syd does his through in Perth.

I am sure if you phoned both of them they would tell you how many.

Generally I think most of the graduates will be down south. maybe 10-20 in scotland depending on how many at tayside move on.