European Legislation for the licensing of pilots

[Conventional Gear]

Has anyone else received their letter from the CAA this morning?

First contact I've had with them since the poo brown arrived.


It kind of reads, 'we don't know what is happening, so we'll just remind you it is your responsibility to know what is going on'.

I've been reading other threads and don't want to clutter them up, but as I understand it to continue flying a PA-28 after April 8th 2012, I will need an EASA licence and also have demonstrated use of instruments beyond the standard required for the PPL(A), is that correct?

[BillieBob]

Depends. If your poo-brown is a UK national poo then you will have to convert it to an EASA poo, but if it's a JAA poo then you don't need to do anything as it will, as if by magic, become an EASA poo on 8 Apr 2012.

[CruiseAttitude]

Exactly, a JAA licence will become an EASA licence automatically from 8 April 2012. However, as I understand it, we don’t actually receive a new piece of paper until we do our next 5 yearly renewal.

If you hold a JAA poo then you have already demonstrated the use of instruments as it forms part of the JAA syllabus, so as said above, you don't have to do anything.

I'm not sure what the conversion process is for holders of the old national poos though. I think they will be restricted to Annex II aircraft post April 2012, unless they convert.

[Conventional Gear]

Thanks guys, easy answer for me as I have a JAA poo

Perhaps the thread can remain for others with questions on the changes ahead?

[Rod1]

"if your poo-brown is a UK national poo then you will have to convert it to an EASA poo"

Nope - I have every intention of sticking with my CAA PPL which I understand will do all I need.

Rod1

[Poeli]

Can someone tell me or give me a link where I can read what changes for the microlights? Does this become an european licence too (easa) if you get it after april 2012?

[mad_jock]

There was a rumour they were going to have to change all the licenses anyway because there isn't any indication of when your English prof runs out and its required under EASA.

[robin]

I've been reading other threads and don't want to clutter them up, but as I understand it to continue flying a PA-28 after April 8th 2012, I will need an EASA licence and also have demonstrated use of instruments beyond the standard required for the PPL(A), is that correct?

Still not decided yet as the legislation still hasn't been passed, but there is likely to be a transition period for a minimum of 2 years.

Just watch for the next letter in a few weeks time.

[BillieBob]

Nope - I have every intention of sticking with my CAA PPLYep - The answer was directed at the OP who wants to continue flying a PA-28 and was, therefore, correct. RTFQ

[Whopity]

Can someone tell me or give me a link where I can read what changes for the microlights? Does this become an european licence too (easa) if you get it after april 2012? No effect on Microlights as they are Annex II and not EASA aircraft. Aren't you lucky!

[xrayalpha]

Actually, Whopity, as I read the table at the back of the CAA document online, it appears that the old PPL (micro) is being replaced by the NPPL (Micro).**

So instead of five hour every 13 months, I will require 12 hours every two years including at least 60 mins with an instructor.

Why if UK PPL (M) and NPPL (M) are all UK poo, we need to ditch the first in order to comply with non-existent EU regs (since micros are Annexe 2) I cannot fathom.

** See Page 28 of European Licensing... at:

Licensing and Training Standards | EASA | Safety Regulation (http://www.caa.co.uk/default.aspx?gid=2061)

[Whopity]

They have been trying that for years but the BMAA have resisted on the grounds that there is no good reason to change. The on-line document is prepared by those who know little about flying so its another bit of bureaucratic standardisation.

[xrayalpha]

Actually, Whopity, I wouldn't object to much to standardisation - there are so many licences which allow one to fly microlights, no-one understands them!

Some, like merging the old PPL with the NPPL - or "you cannot fly a microlight unless you have a microlight rating" (my favourite) - just keep rearing their confusing heads!

[Whopity]

Funny how an aeroplane that was so simple that it didn't require a licence to fly it a few years ago, suddenly became so complicated that it necessitated its own specific "type" rating.

[Slopey]

Just watch for the next letter in a few weeks time.

That letter from the CAA specifically states there will be no further letters on the subject from them, and it's up to the individual to visit the EASA website and decide what they need to do. :ugh: