Safety Pilot Available .

[no more nite flights]

Hi All, Retired airline Captain,experience from aztecs,navajos up to B767 and Airbus A300 available as safety pilot for business or coroprate flying on daily basis. not looking for big bucks anymore ,but some interesting flying in well equipped singles or twins. Why not fly airways on my IR licence and fly safer? All interesting proposal accepted.:) PM me for details

[ppraticallybroke]

This might seem rude, but why?

You probably have a pension you can't jump over, you don't need experience and could easily potter about in your own little aircraft or rent club ones if you want to and actually put some money back into aviation at GA level.

You will likely be offered something, but its no wonder the young guys cant get any experience.

[dirkdj]

Experience is something you can't buy as some pilots with more money than common sense found out (thinking about some high profile GA accidents where lack of experience was a major factor). I think the decision to take a safety pilot along is a matter of good judgment.

[IO540]

I agree; the old airline pilots are the best instructors generally.

And I bet this A300 one will have a good look at your pitot tubes before flying :)

[Art E. Fischler-Reisen]

You will likely be offered something, but its no wonder the young guys cant get any experience.

The chap in the other seat is getting the benefit of someone else's experience. Which will hopefully get passed on in turn, in due course.

[jxc]

Putting the safety pilot side away I bet he/she will have some good stories to tell :D

[ClimbAndMaintain]

I for one think the idea of safety pilot is a great idea for GA pilots especially when the safety pilot has airline experience as they typically have seen a lot more than most of us have in the course of their flying careers.

@practicallybroke - given that this is posted in the Private Flying thread I don't think this is depriving anyone of the opportunity to develop their careers. To the best of my knowledge most of the complex singles and light twins are single pilot operation so you cannot claim hours for sitting in the right hand seat unless you are instructing (which this is not)

[ppraticallybroke]

Actually ClimbAndMaintain, I will have to respectfully disagree.

Here is a post made just a short while ago in the wannabe section. The only flying this guy could get was as a safety pilot.
http://www.pprune.org/interviews-jobs-sponsorship/453686-those-us-who-not-flying-how-you-dealing-2.html#post6507249

Its a foot in the door. An opportunity to meet people. Experience. Its really useful for those guys and opportunities are so few and far between. I agree with everything that has been said. An ex-captain is of course going to be far more useful than some low-hour pilot. Its a no-brainer and the reason this guy and many others like him will be picked over the wannabes every time. But an ex-captain doesn't need this. Its just something to fill his/her time. It just seems a bit mindless. Go do something else - aerobatics, formation flying, build a kit plane, join a club. You guys have kept those seats warm for 30 years +. Let the kids have some free flying. They're the ones in massive debt, fighting to stay current and having to pay for aircraft hire just to get in the air.

I'm not having a go at the OP specifically. I see this all the time and it just seems silly. Its the Captains who are always the first to complain that FOs these days have no real experience. How are they supposed to get it when they are competing with pilots with several thousand hours, just to ferry a single engine aircraft about?

[ppraticallybroke]

Of course I have a clue about the OP. I read his OP.

Is what I am saying wrong? Is this type of work not desperately sort after, by those trying to get into the industry?

[Conventional Gear]

PP - I had experience of an hour builder instructor and a 20,000+ hr ex airline instructor. The first guy made me 'puke' because he thought it was funny.

The second I would fly with anywhere, anytime and know the it would be worth it for the stories alone.

If I was choosing a safety pilot, hmmm which should I go for. :confused::ugh:

If people choose to go into aviation for a career that is their choice. I pay to fly because I enjoy it and I would much rather have a 'safety pilot' who knows far more than I do than a 'safety pilot' who probably knows less.

I rather get the feeling you think this 'old boy' with years of experience should move over so you can 'have a go' on someone else's expense account. Sure won't be mine. :}

[airpolice]

practicallybroke wrote:

Is this type of work not desperately sort after, by those trying to get into the industry?


Sought after, sought as in, to seek.

To have sought for some indication that the people using pprune can use the right words. This was not a spelling mistake, it was the wrong word, ffs.

Why don’t you sort your vocabulary instead of having a pop at an experienced guy offering to help the next generation?

[ppraticallybroke]

Why don't you read the OP, before talking out of your hoop airpolice?

He is not interested in helping the next generation. Quite the opposite. He wants to work "as safety pilot for business or corporate flying".

He doesn't want to sit in a spam can with Mr Conventional gear, or share stories with jxc. He is hoping to occupy a seat, that a 200-hr guy could use for a really beneficial purpose. Experience.

I don't think for one second the OP even considered that and was just thinking of something nice to do after retirement. And as you have all pointed out there is lots he could do. He could work with the BDFA or instruct at his local club or any manner of things. But Ex-Captains looking to occupy the bottom rung of the corporate ladder, I would view as blocking.